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Western Pleasure - Heads Too Low?

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#1 ·
Ok, so I have nearly zero experience with western pleasure, but I was watching a few videos and they just seemed highly unnatural that a horse would want to hold his head that low. I mean, in the paddocks I rarely see any horses have their head that low without stuffing food in. Except Misty or Larry, but their heads are already quite low to the ground.
So I checked it out, came upon this article Western Perception It got me thinking, am I right, are the heads too low or do you think there's nothing wrong with how it all is?
 
#7 ·
There are a lot of things about pleasure that are unnatural for the horse. (no offense anyone) The pace is very unnatural and lots of pleasure horses come up with navicular because of the unnatural way that they are trained to perform. Some horses naturally hold their heads lower because of their conformation, but just as many are trained to keep their heads lowered. That is why training forks and draw reins became so popular.
 
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I have read another post which was closed shortly after I posted. I hope this one can stay civil, this is an interesting topic to me.
After reading all responses, I do believe that there are horses who just have low set heads in their blood. I then looked at a few pictures of horses I know and they have that low head set. So yes, it is in those horses blood.
BUT, I also know that in any competative sport people who are just not that great will do not so great things to try to get ahead. This could include training a horse to hold his head lower then he would normally, or walk far slower then he would prefer. I think if you're going to compete in WP make sure your horses is uited. If he's not, do something he is suited to. Don't force him. It's not fair.
So thats where I am on WP head sets currently, but I always love to hear more.

BTW, isn't it :"Horses for courses" :P
 
#12 ·
The heads are too low in pleasure, a lot of the time. And they SHOULD be disqualified for it with the new rulings, but judges like to look the other way. ;)

Once the horse breaks at the withers, the weight falls on the forehand (unless he's lifting at the base of the neck like in a 'long and low' dressage frame--but then he wouldn't be 'breaking' at the withers, either). It doesn't matter if it's natural, or not--My horse LOVES plodding around with his head by his knees.

And it doesn't make it okay. This isn't about 'unnatural' and 'natural'--this is about good performance and bad.

In order for the horse to transfer his weight to the hind end and move in a nice frame for showing, his neck HAS to be level, or he has to be lifting at the base of the neck (which you hardly EVER see in a WP class). Judges are beginning to place horses with more level necklines--not because of the height, but because those horses 'look better'. Because they can carry themselves in a better frame.

You'll still see stupid trainers TRAINING the horse to put it's head down below it's withers, but it's slowly being phased out.
 
#13 ·
By me saying that they move naturally, I don't mean they naturally drag their noses on the ground. I mean that they naturally have a more level neck and can be easier trained for WP.
I think that how a lot of WP horses are trained/bred are based on what the judges are placing. I am glad to see (at least at local shows) that the horses that are carrying themselves well seem to be the ones that are placing rather than the ones going super slow and low.
 
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Wasn't directed at you, Spastic Dove. ;) I don't appreciate the 'he LIKES to move this way!' comment when a horse is practically kneeing himself in the face with every stride. :P Doesn't matter if he likes it, it's still WRONG.
 
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