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post #11 of 40 Old 02-11-2010, 12:41 AM Thread Starter
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She looks lame, like she is pushing with her right hind, almost dragging it(it does not visibly leave the ground), and pulling with her left... I really don't see collection, her hinds are falling at least a good foot or more behind her fronts...


I am not being obstinate, I just do not see how you see a collected not lame looking horse... could you please explain to me how you see it? I really want to learn how to look at a WP horse and see what you do, cause I just do not see any functionality ... and again, I am not bashing, I really want to learn what you are seeing...

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post #12 of 40 Old 02-11-2010, 02:32 AM
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Watch this video. It shows exactly what is looked for in the Western Pleasure ring. YouTube - AQHA Western Pleasure Video

I like this horses movement but the video in the next post kind of makes my point. All the horses in the video are dragging along behind and there is no suspension in the way they are moving. I couldn't find a way to count that made it a 3 beat gait either . From about 1:30 to 1:50 you can actually see the horses toe dragging on the ground.

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Oh! Another western pleasure thread attempting to say that western pleasure riders are all cruel, horrible, and unnatrual... awsome. :roll:

A zillion threads later the fact remains the same:
If you don't like it, show in somthing else.

There are plenty of events out there I'm sure you can find somthing you enjoy watching and showing in .

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I really want to learn how to look at a WP horse and see what you do, cause I just do not see any functionality ... and again, I am not bashing, I really want to learn what you are seeing...
No, you don't want to learn to see it. Plenty of people have walked through western pleasure on this board.

You just don't like the class, you don't like how the horses move, you don't like how its being judged.

That is fine, there is nothing wrong with that, I myself don't like some horses and the classes they show in. It is all a matter of preference; you will never see what I see in Western Pleasure becuase I like it and you don't... that's just life and individuality...its what makes this world so nice.

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post #16 of 40 Old 02-11-2010, 10:15 AM
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I completely disagree with you. Do some horses move like crap and look lame? Absolutely. But, look at the winners of Congress and the World Show and you will see that now more than ever before, judges are looking for a horse that moves well up under itself. They want them to stretch their front leg out and move their back leg up under themselves. A nice rolling lope is actually a 'pleasure' to ride and is MUCH more likely too win. Just because you have seen bad movers on youtube does not mean that every WP horse moves like that. I currently have a WP horse that 4-beats to much and I am working very hard to get her to move forward and more fluidly. This even means that I am making her go faster because that is when her legs are moving well and that is how she will place well. Look at some of the top trainers and you will see what I'm talking about. The good trainers are the ones who move their horses forward. Don't judge an entire sport on some bad individuals or every sport would be judged negatively.
Well, I watched the APHA World Show in November and I can't tell you how many non-two beat jogs and non-three beat lopes placed or even won their classes. If you will re-read my post, I stated that we have made some definite improvement but we're not completely there yet. You can't expect to erase years of riding, training and judging in just a couple of years following a rules change. I absolutely applaud the judges who have embraced the change and are judging accordingly, but there are still many of them who aren't there yet.
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Don't judge an entire sport on some bad individuals or every sport would be judged negatively.
I think it's entirely fair to judge a sport by the individuals that are winning WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS. If that is not the way to judge the sport then what is a better one?

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Oh! Another western pleasure thread attempting to say that western pleasure riders are all cruel, horrible, and unnatrual... awsome. :roll:

A zillion threads later the fact remains the same:
If you don't like it, show in somthing else.

There are plenty of events out there I'm sure you can find somthing you enjoy watching and showing in .
Completely agree. :)

This thread is just going to go round and round like the rest of the western pleasure ones have, primarily the same people making the same points/observations.

Don't like it? Don't do it and don't watch it. Quite simple. Perhaps this thread could then stay on track and some could benefit from the article rather than this turning into a mini-battle like dozens of others.

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post #19 of 40 Old 02-11-2010, 11:04 AM
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Perhaps this thread could then stay on track and some could benefit from the article rather than this turning into a mini-battle like dozens of others.
I agree however, like all the other western pleasure threads, the rule changes have been explained.... and still here we are.

For some reason people still think it is abusive...

They just don't like it, nothing can be done to change that.

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I think it's entirely fair to judge a sport by the individuals that are winning WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS. If that is not the way to judge the sport then what is a better one?

I'll start listening to your opinion on WP when you get your judge's card & actually have an education about WP besides what you watch on youtube videos.

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