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    02-11-2010, 11:11 AM
  #21
Weanling
Here is an opportunity for people to learn more about western pleasure from the insiders: http://www.westernpleasuretraining.com/
     
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    02-11-2010, 11:11 AM
  #22
Foal
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Originally Posted by GottaRide    
I'll start listening to your opinion on WP when you get your judge's card & actually have an education about WP besides what you watch on youtube videos.
kudos
     
    02-11-2010, 11:22 AM
  #23
Weanling
Er... all I want to say is I have no respect Cleve Wells... he one trainer who has been outed for being abusive....

In response to the link Western Pleasure Revolutionary Clinic with Cleve Wells, Rusty Green and Shane Dowdy
     
    02-11-2010, 11:37 AM
  #24
Trained
Here is my last post on this: I don't think WP is abusive but I can't agree that it is horsemanship well applied. The reason I referenced youtube videos is that I don't have the time or the inclination to attend the QH congress and watch a world chamionship WP class. Thanks to Al Gore and his internet I can watch a clip of the "best" wp horse in the breed and only spend 4 minutes doing it.

Now we can agree to disagree but the part I have a problem with has nothing to do with any rule change about head position. I can't tell you how many times I have heard spectators watching WP for the first time ask why the horses are moving like they are lame. Watch with an open mind and you will see what I'm talking about. Horses are barely getting thier feet up high enough to not trip. Most of the time they are dragging them through the dirt of the arena. That is not what makes a horse a pleasure to ride. A few rule changes are not going to help the sport. It is going to take a restructuring from the ground up but that is not going to happen because too many people have shut thier minds and closed thier eyes to what these horses FEET are doing. I could care less where the head is at but look at thier feet and tell me they could be of use anywhere but in an arena going that slow.

I understand that you guys have alot of time and money invested in WP horses and training and you're probably very good at it but the judges are not selecting a horse that would be a pleasure or even particularly safe to ride outside of an arena or even in an arena with any speed.

I'm going to try very hard to stay away from WP related threads for a while so that this won't happen to a persons thread again.
     
    02-11-2010, 12:28 PM
  #25
Weanling
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Originally Posted by kevinshorses    
I don't think WP is abusive but I can't agree that it is horsemanship well applied..
It's interesting that you say this because I find myself agreeing with you when you post about your training methods & such. It's exactly how I train my horses that I use in WP classes. Hmmmm.......

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Originally Posted by kevinshorses    
I understand that you guys have alot of time and money invested in WP horses and training and you're probably very good at it but the judges are not selecting a horse that would be a pleasure or even particularly safe to ride outside of an arena or even in an arena with any speed.
This is where your comments are skewed. You don't know what the judges are selecting in the show ring today, nor do you have to ability to determine what others might consider to be a pleasure to ride.
     
    02-11-2010, 07:00 PM
  #26
Yearling
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Originally Posted by GottaRide    
I'll start listening to your opinion on WP when you get your judge's card & actually have an education about WP besides what you watch on youtube videos.
... Have I told you lately that I love you? XDDD

I agree, Cleve Wells leaves a bad taste with me anymore. He was really nice when I met him, and I was really shocked to hear about that case 8(

Has anyone gotten the Dana Hokana DVD's? Are they any good?


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Watch with an open mind and you will see what I'm talking about.
Jesus, practice what you preach.

     
    02-11-2010, 07:08 PM
  #27
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by FlyinSoLow    
No, you don't want to learn to see it. Plenty of people have walked through western pleasure on this board.

You just don't like the class, you don't like how the horses move, you don't like how its being judged.

That is fine, there is nothing wrong with that, I myself don't like some horses and the classes they show in. It is all a matter of preference; you will never see what I see in Western Pleasure becuase I like it and you don't... that's just life and individuality...its what makes this world so nice.
That is rude and uncalled for. I do honestly want to be able to look at a western pleasure horse and know what I am looking at... You gripe and gripe and gripe about all the WP bashing threads and take no time to try to rectify and educate, good job. Please grow up a little and post something helpful instead of griping the ole "pity on us, they just don't understand" WP bit!:roll::roll:

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Originally Posted by FlyinSoLow    
Oh! Another western pleasure thread attempting to say that western pleasure riders are all cruel, horrible, and unnatrual... awsome. :roll:

A zillion threads later the fact remains the same:
If you don't like it, show in somthing else.

There are plenty of events out there I'm sure you can find somthing you enjoy watching and showing in .
I actually posted this in response to all of the WP bashing going on, to show people that according to the judges themselves, they are looking for a better more natural frame and movement. I found it helpful in opening my eye to the actual improvements, not the ones noone can see, but direct from the horses mouth.
     
    02-11-2010, 07:09 PM
  #28
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by GottaRide    
This is where your comments are skewed. You don't know what the judges are selecting in the show ring today, nor do you have to ability to determine what others might consider to be a pleasure to ride.
Which is why I posted this article, so you can see what they indeed look for. I posted it to be helpful. It is funny how now it is you WP fans that are being the negative ones on a thread posted to try to help out... kudos guys. Very stuck up indeed.
     
    02-11-2010, 07:09 PM
  #29
Weanling
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Originally Posted by WesternPleasure1029    
Watch this video. It shows exactly what is looked for in the Western Pleasure ring. YouTube - AQHA Western Pleasure Video
If you think that winning horses don't move like this, think again. I have placed many times with a horse that moves like this. Forward, getting up under itself, a happy expression on its face. This is what Western Pleasure is. Smooth, supple, light cues, and a pleasure to ride. Obviously though, no matter how much I explain it to you, you aren't going to change your mind. This is your opinion and I appreciate that but I just want you to know that in no way are these horses asked to move in any way that is unnatural for THEM. Many sports have horses do things that are unnatural like pirouettes and jumping 6 foot fences but this is what they are bred and trained to do and the winners enjoy their job. Yes, some Western Pleasure horses are abused in horrible methods that make me sick to think about but nowadays, they are the minority. AQHA keeps close tabs on what trainers are doing to their horses in ways such as checking the bits of horses in the show ring to make sure they are AQHA legal and random drug tests
Thank you for posting this video. I seen many things I havent really noticed before. Excellent post as well.
     
    02-11-2010, 07:15 PM
  #30
Weanling
Honeysuga, it was not uncalled for. Many, many, many people have given an educated point view, explained, and talked... and what comes of it?

More arguments. :roll:

It is just getting old. You now know the rule changes in effect, and that people are trying to improve the class, but you still don't like it....

...what do you want everyone to say?
     

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