Arena help needed! - The Horse Forum
 16Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #1 of 11 Old 06-20-2019, 01:18 PM Thread Starter
Foal
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 6
• Horses: 0
Arena help needed!

I hope this is the right area, but my hopes for somebody who actually knows the answer are rather small as it's a rather unusual problem I'm having.* But here goes!
I have a lovely outdoor arena that I had built on my property.* The only place it could go was on a slight hill.* It ended up with a cut out on the east of about 5 feet and a build up on the west of about - you guessed it! - 5 feet.* I had base rock put in and rolled down and then sand on top.* I had RR ties as borders and built up an electric tape fence (no, it's not hooked to electric, just explaining that it's the wide tape instead of boards).* All this was done on a budget and the only reason I could afford the base FINALLY was a truck accident that gave me $20 less than the bid to do the work, but though encompassing both doors, was only aesthetic so did not need to be fixed.* So I look at my dented truck and think, that's my arena, and I SO love having my own good arena rideable almost all the time.
So the problem... first I noticed that points on the west side (build up) were blowing out with heavy rain.* I put in a concrete blockage on the east side and I made some concrete drains at the spots where it blew out.* It has worked very well for a few years.* This last spring we had massive rains, floods, etc.* It broke through the east side (which has since been heavily reworked) and took out the south west corner.* It's daylight, but not enough to need to redo it, which I can't afford anyway.* So I concreted that to form a drainage spot and filled with rocks to help lessen erosion.
Which FINALLY brings me to the thoughts I'm having - would it be better to remove, or perhaps lift up onto brick the entire west side?* Would allowing the water to leave with out having to find spots to blow out perhaps save it and slow erosion?* I note the sand doesn't move much even in a flood, but the water rushing through it erodes the next layer, which is why I'm thinking it might work... or do you think it would just carry out all the sand with it?
See... yikes.
And PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do not tell me I need to put in this drainage system or that, this is what I have to work with.* Ingenuity and work. And please again, if you feel it's your way or the highway and want to tell me it's a lost cause please don't. No offense, but really, people, if that's all you have to say sometimes it's OK to just move on and not reply. TIA...
JoBlueQuarter likes this.

Last edited by horselovinguy; 06-20-2019 at 04:21 PM. Reason: not needed...
SiAmPaBu is offline  
post #2 of 11 Old 06-20-2019, 01:58 PM
Yearling
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: London, UK
Posts: 1,260
• Horses: 1
Hiya welcome to the forum. Plenty people with DIY arenas will be along.

Advice is advice - you can choose to take it or leave it. These threads, while are obviously hoping to help the original poster, help a lot of other people who view it (like me). Learning about adequate drainage might help someone else, we learn together and FROM each other.

Last edited by horselovinguy; 06-20-2019 at 04:40 PM. Reason: not needed...
Kalraii is offline  
post #3 of 11 Old 06-20-2019, 05:18 PM
Trained
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Kentucky
Posts: 7,379
• Horses: 0
If you have a retaining wall, it needs gravel behind it(about 6 thick) so that it drains, and the soil has a way to expand (wet) and contract (dry) without pushing on the wall.
loosie, AnitaAnne and Kalraii like this.

I don't break horses, I FIX them!

Last edited by horselovinguy; 06-20-2019 at 05:54 PM. Reason: typo corrected with permission
greentree is offline  
post #4 of 11 Old 06-20-2019, 05:32 PM
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 7,015
• Horses: 12
Pictures would help as well so we have a better idea of what it looks like now. I don't have an arena that blows out but do deal with fast moving water across an easement which at times over the last 20 years has meant no access in or out. We have had to be creative as well.
Kalraii likes this.
QtrBel is offline  
post #5 of 11 Old 06-20-2019, 10:02 PM
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Australia
Posts: 20,126
• Horses: 0
It sounds to me OP, that you are asking how to best manage drainage, and you're prepared to pull out that whole corner to redo it. But then you say "And PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do not tell me I need to put in this drainage system or that, this is what I have to work with." so I'm lost as to what exactly you're asking for? Are you wanting to ONLY use bricks somehow, for drainage, only want suggestions on how you can use bricks, or...?
beau159 and Kalraii like this.

Some info I've found helpful; [COLOR=Lime][B]www.horseforum.com/horse-health/hoof-lameness-info-horse-owners-89836/
For taking critique pics; [COLOR=Lime][B]https://www.horseforum.com/members/41...res-128437.jpg
loosie is offline  
post #6 of 11 Old 06-24-2019, 01:05 PM Thread Starter
Foal
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 6
• Horses: 0
This was my question:
"Which FINALLY brings me to the thoughts I'm having - would it be better to remove, or perhaps lift up onto brick the entire west side? Would allowing the water to leave without having to find spots to blow out perhaps save it and slow erosion? I note the sand doesn't move much even in a flood, but the water rushing through it erodes the next layer, which is why I'm thinking it might work... or do you think it would just carry out all the sand with it?"
The part about no, please don't suggest drainage is because I'd already said I don't have the funds to redo any of this, I never said I was going to rebuild the corner, THIS is what I said: "It's daylight, but not enough to need to redo it, which I can't afford anyway."
I said the above were my only two options. Continue to let the water out the drainage areas I'd concreted over already.... or lift or remove the RR ties to allow the entire back of the arena to drain.
This is why I put so much detail, and yet... here we still are.
SiAmPaBu is offline  
post #7 of 11 Old 06-24-2019, 01:37 PM
Foal
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Texas
Posts: 142
• Horses: 0
Could you share some photos?
Kalraii likes this.
txgirl is offline  
post #8 of 11 Old 06-24-2019, 02:36 PM
Trained
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: North Dakota
Posts: 7,265
• Horses: 3
Quote:
Originally Posted by SiAmPaBu View Post
I hope this is the right area, but my hopes for somebody who actually knows the answer are rather small as it's a rather unusual problem I'm having.* But here goes!
I have a lovely outdoor arena that I had built on my property.* The only place it could go was on a slight hill.* It ended up with a cut out on the east of about 5 feet and a build up on the west of about - you guessed it! - 5 feet.* I had base rock put in and rolled down and then sand on top.* I had RR ties as borders and built up an electric tape fence (no, it's not hooked to electric, just explaining that it's the wide tape instead of boards).* All this was done on a budget and the only reason I could afford the base FINALLY was a truck accident that gave me $20 less than the bid to do the work, but though encompassing both doors, was only aesthetic so did not need to be fixed.* So I look at my dented truck and think, that's my arena, and I SO love having my own good arena rideable almost all the time.
So the problem... first I noticed that points on the west side (build up) were blowing out with heavy rain.* I put in a concrete blockage on the east side and I made some concrete drains at the spots where it blew out.* It has worked very well for a few years.* This last spring we had massive rains, floods, etc.* It broke through the east side (which has since been heavily reworked) and took out the south west corner.* It's daylight, but not enough to need to redo it, which I can't afford anyway.* So I concreted that to form a drainage spot and filled with rocks to help lessen erosion.
Which FINALLY brings me to the thoughts I'm having - would it be better to remove, or perhaps lift up onto brick the entire west side?* Would allowing the water to leave with out having to find spots to blow out perhaps save it and slow erosion?* I note the sand doesn't move much even in a flood, but the water rushing through it erodes the next layer, which is why I'm thinking it might work... or do you think it would just carry out all the sand with it?
Seeing photos would really help understand exactly what's happening.



So it sounds like the water is running THROUGH the arena to "wash out" the build up side? I'm a little confused exactly what is happening without seeing pictures.



Quote:
Originally Posted by SiAmPaBu View Post
And PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do not tell me I need to put in this drainage system or that, this is what I have to work with.* Ingenuity and work. And please again, if you feel it's your way or the highway and want to tell me it's a lost cause please don't. No offense, but really, people, if that's all you have to say sometimes it's OK to just move on and not reply. TIA...

I'm not sure why you are so defensive? But ultimately, if I am understanding you correctly, you do need to find a way to redirect the water to flow around or out of the arena, and not through the west side. You can alter the base or the design but if you don't alter the water flow, well, it's just going to keep flowing and creating problems. Whether or not you need some sort of drainage system, or whether it's a matter of doing dirt work outside the arena to alter the water flow path.
loosie and Kalraii like this.

∞*˚ Βгįťţαňγ ˚*∞
It is not enough to know how to ride; one must know how to fall.
beau159 is offline  
post #9 of 11 Old 06-25-2019, 03:17 AM
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Australia
Posts: 20,126
• Horses: 0
Quote:
Originally Posted by SiAmPaBu View Post
would it be better to remove, or perhaps lift up onto brick the entire west side?
Rewriting what you wrote didn't help I'm afraid - it was what you wrote I did not understand. The above, to me, sounds like you were prepared to remove & redo 'the entire west side'. So, if you're not prepared to do that, I still don't understand what you're asking.

Some info I've found helpful; [COLOR=Lime][B]www.horseforum.com/horse-health/hoof-lameness-info-horse-owners-89836/
For taking critique pics; [COLOR=Lime][B]https://www.horseforum.com/members/41...res-128437.jpg
loosie is offline  
post #10 of 11 Old 06-25-2019, 08:15 AM
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 7,015
• Horses: 12
Pictures, again, would really help.



Sand moves and moves quickly and in large quantity in the right conditions. I literally move tons of it every single time it rains so that my driveway is just that a driveway and not a sand pit.



Perhaps protecting the arena by diverting the water would partially improve the situation. Water either moves straight down or out. If your surface is not level it moves to the lowest point before draining. Your west side? If that is the case trenching, filling with gravel or pipe (french drain) would divert it around. You would need to pay careful attention or you would now have erosion down the two other sides.
ACinATX likes this.
QtrBel is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the The Horse Forum forums, you must first register.

Already have a Horse Forum account?
Members are allowed only one account per person at the Horse Forum, so if you've made an account here in the past you'll need to continue using that account. Please do not create a new account or you may lose access to the Horse Forum. If you need help recovering your existing account, please Contact Us. We'll be glad to help!

New to the Horse Forum?
Please choose a username you will be satisfied with using for the duration of your membership at the Horse Forum. We do not change members' usernames upon request because that would make it difficult for everyone to keep track of who is who on the forum. For that reason, please do not incorporate your horse's name into your username so that you are not stuck with a username related to a horse you may no longer have some day, or use any other username you may no longer identify with or care for in the future.



User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Old Thread Warning
This thread is more than 90 days old. When a thread is this old, it is often better to start a new thread rather than post to it. However, If you feel you have something of value to add to this particular thread, you can do so by checking the box below before submitting your post.

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome