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post #1 of 72 Old 04-21-2020, 12:45 PM Thread Starter
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keeping sand in the arena

I am almost ready to have my footing delivered for my ring. I think we are getting about 4-5 loads of sand (not playground sand but I forget the name).

We were looking at using railroad ties to keep the sand in. I priced it out for 60 ties being delivered and am around 1200 I think.

My questions are - is that my best idea or is there a better one and is there a better place to get them then home deport, lowes, or tractor supply? (This is in the US).
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Railroad ties will be probably the best and most economical. They aren't going anywhere for a long time. Most what you find used around here. Also see them used a bit for terracing because they are treated in a manner that says they won't be rotting any time soon.

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I was thinking that I would only have to do it once if I used them...

Could I get away with something like this? These are $10 cheaper.

https://www.lowes.com/pd/Severe-Weat...E&gclsrc=aw.ds

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Contact the local railroad...
I know by me CXT think the freight line is owned by is doing tie changeovers, pulling old and putting in new.
Old are eventually picked up and carted to the yard often on a railcar but you might be able to get them trackside, possibly for next to nothing.
Railroad ties are far better quality and permeated with preservatives...
They are not light to move so you need some tractor to lift and place and a sturdy trailer to transport or pay someone to do such a job for you.

Just a thought..
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I actually am going to call CSX. Our neighbor got them for about $2 per tie about 10 years ago. The problem is they are about 400 lbs a piece and I need 60 so that would be a lot of hauling back and forth... not sure if it's really saving money once you add time and wear and tear. (depending on the location and how many we could get in the truck and trailer....)

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I actually am going to call CSX. Our neighbor got them for about $2 per tie about 10 years ago. The problem is they are about 400 lbs a piece and I need 60 so that would be a lot of hauling back and forth... not sure if it's really saving money..

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I was thinking more you pay someone to haul them for you with say a large flatbed tow truck that can dump in a destination location, then you need a farm tractor bucket loader with some heavy chain to drag move them but they don't move once placed very easily either.
A medium sized flatbed tow truck can carry about 25000 pounds on a 350/3500 1-ton chassis vehicle.
There are easily larger tow truck flatbeds available that can do the deed too...
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I was thinking that I would only have to do it once if I used them...

Could I get away with something like this? These are $10 cheaper.

https://www.lowes.com/pd/Severe-Weat...E&gclsrc=aw.ds

they might be cheaper in the beginning, but long term RR ties if they are in good used condition will last a long time.

And your landscaping 3 in. X 4 in. timbers will have to be fastened down to the ground or they will move as they don't weight much. (with long spike nails or rebar) cut to 12 inches long driven through holes drilled in the timbers. The 3 inch measurement is the height.

Southern yellow pine landscape timber commonly used for garden steps, landscaped paths, planter boxes and garden beds
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southern pine is a soft wood and even being treated will rot in a short time compared to RR ties.
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I'm thinking I'm going to have to go with the railroad ties. Tractor supply says they do a dump in run (which he explained means at the curb). Um.. I don't have a curb and my driveway is 3/4 of a mile. It would make more sense to go down the driveway ESPECIALLY since there is no turn around unless you go down my drive... we are going to run to Lowes and maybe Home depot this weekend to talk to someone.

I left a message with a lumber co that says they have used railroad ties. I did see a pile of them on the way in to work today. They replaced them so it's a stack of old ones... maybe about 10 of them?.... hmmmm........I wonder if I could rent a flat bed from home depot. Are they renting vehicles right now or is that a COVID no no?
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Don't know if they are or not. Too bad we aren't closer. I have a commercial flat bed end dump that I'd happily deliver them for you. The landscape timbers would rot out surprisingly fast compared to the RR ties. Get a weight on them and see how many your trailer can haul. There may also be someone around looking to make a little and would haul and unload for a reasonable amount.
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I would speak to the RR first.
They might just load a truck for you and bring them, unload them with the grappling hooks on those trucks for a nominal cost.
The trucks we see occasionally rolling down the track are road use vehicles too...the wheels literally lift and away the truck rolls on roads leaving rail behind...pretty neat to watch.

This is a company who rehomes old ties to new functions.
https://www.nssccorp.com/products/
CSX was one of the companies who contracts with this place for removal of old ties.

What I did read though is the ties usually have a bad side, just 1 side so for some in their projects a issue.
More importantly, they are laced with creosote and that makes them a environmental hazard to ever dispose of, so once you take them..there yours!!
I did see on that website new ties though...didn't go further and maybe since creosote is outlawed possibly some other preservative is used in its place and or new ones are untreated...
Make some inquiries...nothing to lose.
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