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post #11 of 48 Old 07-16-2017, 08:33 AM
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2 - Avoiding a metal roof because of the noise or condensation. I have a metal roof and metal sides (though it's on a full wood frame). Yes, I can hear the pitter patter of rain on the roof. No, it doesn't bother my horses in the least. It isn't deafening. I can have a conversation in there even when it's raining hard.

I so wish this was true in Florida where I live....
Pitter-patter, forget it!
When it rains the afternoon rains in summer thunderstorms where we receive 3" - 4" inches of rain in an hour the noise is deafening to my ears.
I can't totally tell you what my horses think but they do put their ears back a lot further and their head is down lower to the ground when under the barn at that time.
They always run to and under the barn as the trees offer no protection and they will come at a flat out dead-run home when that rain starts....they can just out-run it to safety barely wet.
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We need the rain everyday it dries here so fast. With the intense sun and higher temps I would love it to be spring showers and rains in intensity of all night rain, not deluges.
It is very common here to have rainfall totals in 6" - 8", and more for a few hours of rain.

My horses love to come home for their afternoon snooze under the barn overhang too...
Lower temps, "dark" and no to few flies to pester them...
I swear I hear a sigh from them when they come home...

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People almost always shorten the names of breeds which are more than two syllables, sometimes to the point that no one who isn't 'in the fancy' knows what the heck they are talking about. "Arab" is at least intelligible.

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I so wish this was true in Florida where I live....
Pitter-patter, forget it!
When it rains the afternoon rains in summer thunderstorms where we receive 3" - 4" inches of rain in an hour the noise is deafening to my ears.
I can't totally tell you what my horses think but they do put their ears back a lot further and their head is down lower to the ground when under the barn at that time.
They always run to and under the barn as the trees offer no protection and they will come at a flat out dead-run home when that rain starts....they can just out-run it to safety barely wet.
........
We need the rain everyday it dries here so fast. With the intense sun and higher temps I would love it to be spring showers and rains in intensity of all night rain, not deluges.
It is very common here to have rainfall totals in 6" - 8", and more for a few hours of rain.

My horses love to come home for their afternoon snooze under the barn overhang too...
Lower temps, "dark" and no to few flies to pester them...
I swear I hear a sigh from them when they come home...

...

And hail hitting my metal roof sends more two into a panic. After a year now, they are better about it.
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Your barn info is very helpful.

My experiences
Concrete floors – I’ve used them without a mat and found them to be easy to keep clean. I often kept the bed up against the sides all day and either washed them or brushed them when they dried out. I had at least a good two and half feet of shavings for padding and even my old arthritic gelding had no problems. Having stabled on a dirt floor and unfortunately cobbles (a nightmare) I’d say that I prefer concrete, although now I’d probably add a mat as well.

Roofs – I used to think that metal roofs were a problem but I was shown to be wrong. Mine was kept out or in a stable with a solid tiled roof and I thought that there would be issues. The noise when it rained hard was loud but didn’t seem to bother him; the noise from the wind bothered him more as it rattled. In the end he got used to it, he had no other option.

Ventilation - It had no ventilation other than four Dutch doors, one on each side. It was easy to open the top half and let the breeze through. Granted we don’t get the same temperatures as a lot of places (around high 20s to 30 in the summer and -25 at worst in the winter) and we were on the side of a hill so there was always some sort of breeze, but it was never an issue.

Manure – All my other places have put the muck in a back of a trailer for regular removal or keeping them out 24/7, meant that I had less than I would’ve had if they were stabled – no shavings etc. So I didn’t think about space. Like you I used a large muck bucket to remove the manure then transferred it to a wheel barrow. The manure heap was immediately out the back of the barn in a walled-off section, I’d say all of 2 feet from the barn wall. I would’ve preferred that it was further away but that was out of my control. It made running out with a heavy load in the rain more comfortable but I don’t think it was healthy for the horses and building. The space was limited which was an issue in the winter, especially as we were sharing with a few other horses. There wasn’t a composting site but we turned it, which seemed to reduce its bulk and someone removed it a couple of times a year. Even then there were times when it overflowed. (Selling it to gardeners and adding it to my own also helped.)

Dutch doors - There was a Dutch door to the paddocks. It’s a great idea. It meant that my non-horsey family could open the door and let him walk up the stable line on his own and go into his stable. My gelding knew more than they did so I left it to him to keep the family right.

Raised Barn – Although the barn I was in was raised, the area outside wasn’t filled so it was still muddy. It kept the barn dry but the slope could get really sticky and it seemed to cling to legs far worse than the stuff from the field.
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Raised Barn – Although the barn I was in was raised, the area outside wasn’t filled so it was still muddy. It kept the barn dry but the slope could get really sticky and it seemed to cling to legs far worse than the stuff from the field.
We seem to have the same experience Caledonian. And a similar climate.

I should have perhaps mentioned that the fill they used alongside the stalls and the back of the barn was some sort of sand. Not sandy enough to get pushed away, in that it has some firmness, but very good drainage material. I don't know if my contractor planned it that way, or if it was just a fluke, but this stuff is amazing. There is never mud in front of their stalls, for a good 20 x 30 feet raised area - though the rest of my paddock is a muddy, puddled mess in the spring.

Ice in the paddock was another major issue this past winter, but I don't think there's much to be done about that. We just had one of those freeze/thaw winters that seem to be getting more common. There were times when I had to spread bedding around for the safety of the horses. Luckily, they had enough sense not to do anything foolish on the ice, but it was very annoying for me. Because of course in the spring, all that bedding had to be removed. I spent a few weeks shoveling wet bedding and manure that had frozen solid despite my best efforts to keep my paddock clean.

On that note, I have found that my pasture drag attached to my four-wheeler was an indispensable tool. It really helped break up the crust on the snow and level everything off. But when we got to have about 6 inches of solid ice, the pasture drag was useless and I just had to wait for spring thaw.
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I so wish this was true in Florida where I live....
Pitter-patter, forget it!
When it rains the afternoon rains in summer thunderstorms where we receive 3" - 4" inches of rain in an hour the noise is deafening to my ears.
I can't totally tell you what my horses think but they do put their ears back a lot further and their head is down lower to the ground when under the barn at that time.
They always run to and under the barn as the trees offer no protection and they will come at a flat out dead-run home when that rain starts....they can just out-run it to safety barely wet.
........
We need the rain everyday it dries here so fast. With the intense sun and higher temps I would love it to be spring showers and rains in intensity of all night rain, not deluges.
It is very common here to have rainfall totals in 6" - 8", and more for a few hours of rain.

My horses love to come home for their afternoon snooze under the barn overhang too...
Lower temps, "dark" and no to few flies to pester them...
I swear I hear a sigh from them when they come home...

...
I have been in the barn in a heavy rain storm and have not found it to be loud. I've also stood in there during a major hail storm and had a conversation with my daughter. Harley slept right through it. At no point did the noise bother them in the least. Maybe it has something to do with the angle of the roof, the height of the building, or even the fact that I have a hayloft that may absorb some of the sound. As I said, the stalls are open all the way up to the roof, but running over my center aisle is a 24 x 20 hay loft (barn is 32 wide x 48 long). It is open on the sides as well, so my hay gets lots of ventilation. But even though it's only a partial loft, maybe it helps absorb some of the noise? In any case, I've been in much louder riding arenas, so I figure it's good for the horses to get used to the noise. They happily run in when it rains hard (Harley's a wimp about getting wet) and are happy to listen to the rain on the roof.

But again, that's why I specified in my original post that I am expressing what worked for ME in THIS climate. To those building barns, I suggest you visit a lot of barns in your area and talk to the owners about what they like, and what they would change. I learned a tremendous amount by doing this.

Another example, sliding doors for stalls. I was going to put some in, but they're expensive to get shipped here, and are not available locally. After talking to some very experienced horse people in the area, I decided against it. Many told me the doors would jam, get bent by a horse pushing against them, or just break down, and it was hard to find someone who could fix them. I went with regular swinging doors on the advice of these people. Easy to build (my contractor put them together easily), simple design means very little can go wrong, and if it does, it's simple enough that I can fix them myself. Out here, being able to do that means a lot. I also left the top part of my stalls open. There is a separating wall between the two stalls of course, and there is a partial wall on the front that prevents them from getting too close to each other. But they can happily stick their heads over the stall walls. One of my horsey neighbors saw the stalls and said that all he could think of was all the wood the horses were going to chew on. However, I know my horses. They are not chewers. They are stalled minimally. There isn't single tooth mark on a single board anywhere. Of course if someone had a cribber, or a horse that likes to chew wood, you'd have to come up with a different plan.
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My barn has a metal roof, as does my house, sheds and additions. No insulation. Love it. No condensation issues. It can be a little loud in nasty storms, but it's a non issue.

OP, what, no pictures?!?
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My barn has a metal roof, as does my house, sheds and additions. No insulation. Love it. No condensation issues. It can be a little loud in nasty storms, but it's a non issue.

OP, what, no pictures?!?
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As promised. Sorry about the blurry loft picture, but I wanted to show what I meant by it being open on the sides.
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Stalls are 10 x 12, which, for my small horses (14.2 and 14.3) is plenty big. The tack room is the same size, though fully closed off, and there is room for a third stall, but at the moment, it's just a space to keep a few bales of hay handy, as well as manure forks, shovels, muck buckets, etc. I also forgot to mention how much I appreciate my 12 foot wide center aisle! Lots of room for the horses to turn around easily, hang halters, and of course, ribbons! (ps, first place is red in Canada). Although the idea was to be able to drive a small vehicle or four-wheeler through, I admit, there was never a need to do so. But the vet and farrier appreciate the extra room to work and it feels nice and roomy.
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