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post #21 of 25 Old 12-12-2015, 11:43 AM
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It is verona who is looking for tyres - I have summer Michelin / winter Continental on my passenger car and summer Kumho (inherited and to be replaced after next summer) / winter Michelin on my SUV. Long-decided on brands here.



STT GUY, would you care to comment on fuel economy difference between Cooper AT and Michelin? I guess the Michelins you were driving in were road tyres and not AT since you do not mention it.
MPG differences are indiscernible and on an F250 diesel...I'm not driving it fkr economy ;)

The Michelins were the premium LTX AT 2 (remember I said we owned a Michelin distributorship until 2010)

Here are the differences..

Michelin LTX AT 2 ..................Cooper AT3

Best ride on the road, period. ................Not as nice but not "bad"
Quiet as can be..... see below ................A bit of road noise (see below)
Does not self clear in mud very well ........tread design clears mud better
Tread and sidewall damage easily ...........MUCH more resistant to cuts and sidewall damage
Expensive but worth it ...........................Not cheap either, good value
Better fuel economy ..............................Not quite as good MPG as the LTX

Both tires offer good on-road tread wear durability with the nod most likely going to the Michelin but not by much. I rotate my tires every oil change and use the spare in the rotation.

My reason for the Cooper AT3 is simple...they are a more durable tire for my conditions. Michelins cut to easily...the Cooper AT3 does not and I am willing to accept the bit of road noise... I changed too many LTX's and I haven't changed a single AT3.

Still loving Michelins on our Ford Edge and Subaru Outback....but I might be going to a Yokohama on the Subaru...
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post #22 of 25 Old 12-12-2015, 11:45 AM
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I went to a couple tire stores today and was not particularly impressed. No one could really explain what load rating I needed... they kept talking in 'ply rating' but looking tires up in their system by load rating, even though they couldn't explain the correlation between the two. Apparently my current tires are "4 ply" and they want to sell me "10 ply" tires (E rated, from what I can tell). If that's what I need to get to safely tow then fine, but they couldn't explain why I would need that.

My truck's GVWR is 6700 lbs; if all weight were evenly distributed (although in reality it never is) that would be 1675 lbs on each. My current tires are rated at 2469 lbs each. This seems like an adequate margin of safety to me, even knowing that the rear axle is going to be carrying more weight when towing. The load range E tires are rated at 3415 lbs. That really seems like overkill.

Am I thinking about this right, or am I missing something?
4 ply seems low. I would want 6 ply at a minimum. I would also not buy a closeout on a 4wd. Too hard to replace one and not have a match.
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post #23 of 25 Old 12-12-2015, 04:12 PM
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^^^^^^ good advice ^^^^^

Close outs are ok, but buy five
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MPG differences are indiscernible and on an F250 diesel...I'm not driving it fkr economy ;)

The Michelins were the premium LTX AT 2 (remember I said we owned a Michelin distributorship until 2010)

Here are the differences..

Michelin LTX AT 2 ..................Cooper AT3

Best ride on the road, period. ................Not as nice but not "bad"
Quiet as can be..... see below ................A bit of road noise (see below)
Does not self clear in mud very well ........tread design clears mud better
Tread and sidewall damage easily ...........MUCH more resistant to cuts and sidewall damage
Expensive but worth it ...........................Not cheap either, good value
Better fuel economy ..............................Not quite as good MPG as the LTX

Both tires offer good on-road tread wear durability with the nod most likely going to the Michelin but not by much. I rotate my tires every oil change and use the spare in the rotation.

My reason for the Cooper AT3 is simple...they are a more durable tire for my conditions. Michelins cut to easily...the Cooper AT3 does not and I am willing to accept the bit of road noise... I changed too many LTX's and I haven't changed a single AT3.

Still loving Michelins on our Ford Edge and Subaru Outback....but I might be going to a Yokohama on the Subaru...
Good comparison, thanks! For my purposes Michelin (not AT though) on a Kia Sorento is the way to go - I spend probably 95% of my distance on asphalt, lots of it highway. The other day did some offroading - mostly deep mud/water and the Michelins never even noticed. Of course not the type of terrain that would cut into a tyre.
This is my tyre: MICHELIN Latitude Alpin LA2 | 4x4 & SUV Tyres | MICHELIN

One thing I noticed is that my fuel consumption went some up since I put them on a month ago - brand new winter tyres - maybe this explains it compared to mostly worn out summers, but will follow to see if this changes with time/mileage.

On the Cooper side, had this tyre on a Land Rover Defender before and had no complaints: Cooper Tire & Rubber Company - Discoverer M+S™

P.S. Since you mention Subaru, wish they were more popular around here with better service... Still miss my Outback I had in the US... Probably my favourite vehicle together with the Defender I have owned so far (from more than 10).
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post #25 of 25 Old 12-14-2015, 01:48 PM
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Good comparison, thanks! For my purposes Michelin (not AT though) on a Kia Sorento is the way to go - I spend probably 95% of my distance on asphalt, lots of it highway. The other day did some offroading - mostly deep mud/water and the Michelins never even noticed. Of course not the type of terrain that would cut into a tyre.
This is my tyre: MICHELIN Latitude Alpin LA2 | 4x4 & SUV Tyres | MICHELIN

One thing I noticed is that my fuel consumption went some up since I put them on a month ago - brand new winter tyres - maybe this explains it compared to mostly worn out summers, but will follow to see if this changes with time/mileage.

On the Cooper side, had this tyre on a Land Rover Defender before and had no complaints: Cooper Tire & Rubber Company - Discoverer M+S™

P.S. Since you mention Subaru, wish they were more popular around here with better service... Still miss my Outback I had in the US... Probably my favourite vehicle together with the Defender I have owned so far (from more than 10).
A winter compound tire is a softer tire so they have more rolling resistance and mpg will be slightly less than an all-season tire
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