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post #11 of 23 Old 06-22-2019, 01:57 PM
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He did all of my custom work when I injured my shoulder. Those harnesses - training, work and show are still in use today 20+ years later. Love, love, love that family. When the Russell's were putting on work horse clinics that was one of the field trips every one would revisit after.


ETA My breast collar from there has a gentle curve to it that combined with placement and adjustability of the straps has meant I have only ever had to have the one.
Ken was making harness long before me. We just somehow struck up the best long distance friendship. He was alwas helping me and sharing new ideas. Dearly wish I could meet him and Wanda in person some day, but don't think I'll ever make it "down yonder" as Ken jokes. You're so lucky to have attended those clinics!
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I met my husband at the first one I attended as a working vacation. Same clinic, same time of year (one week before a particular major holiday) one year later he proposed then the next year, same clinic we got married. He has no clue of the date but if you ask when our anniverserary is he tells the the Saturday before that holiday.
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OP, sorry for the thread jack.
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You said you haven't hooked to the cart yet, have you been dragging a pole or something? The reason I ask is a breastcollar isn't for pulling something close to the ground, it makes the draft all wrong. Don't get me wrong, you can do it, however the breastcollar will not sit like it will when its hooked to a cart, which would be more even to the front on the horse.
I hope I explained that right.
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You said you haven't hooked to the cart yet, have you been dragging a pole or something? The reason I ask is a breastcollar isn't for pulling something close to the ground, it makes the draft all wrong. Don't get me wrong, you can do it, however the breastcollar will not sit like it will when its hooked to a cart, which would be more even to the front on the horse.
I hope I explained that right.
Good point Gmac.

To elaborate, the weight o f a load on the ground will be transmitted in part to the top of the neck via the neckstrap, so if getting the horse used to dragging a weight with a breast collar, it shouldn't be too heavy.
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You said you haven't hooked to the cart yet, have you been dragging a pole or something? The reason I ask is a breastcollar isn't for pulling something close to the ground, it makes the draft all wrong. Don't get me wrong, you can do it, however the breastcollar will not sit like it will when its hooked to a cart, which would be more even to the front on the horse.
I hope I explained that right.
You're right, he hasn't been hooked to a cart yet and he's just been dragging a tire around. But the straight breastcollar is either right up against his windpipe or rubbing the point of his shoulders, whether he's pulling anything or not. Even when the traces are straight out parallel to the ground, it still seems uncomfortably tight on his windpipe.

He hasn't got any rubs from it or anything, but I'd like him to be comfortable as possible when I do finally put him to a cart.
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You're right, he hasn't been hooked to a cart yet and he's just been dragging a tire around. But the straight breastcollar is either right up against his windpipe or rubbing the point of his shoulders, whether he's pulling anything or not. Even when the traces are straight out parallel to the ground, it still seems uncomfortably tight on his windpipe.

He hasn't got any rubs from it or anything, but I'd like him to be comfortable as possible when I do finally put him to a cart.
I don't blame you, the more comfortable he is the more agreeable he will be, and you don't want it messing with his breathing. Are there any holes left in the neck collar to drop the breast plate down a notch or two? If not I would say you might need to bump up to the next size.
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I would say not just down but the straps may need to be further back on the breast collar to give enough room and create a deeper space.
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So I understand the arguments about line of draft, but can someone explain to me why a brollar or Euro collar or whatever people are calling them nowadays are bad? I know that a Euro collar is not sturdy enough to drag heavy things, since it's not built with a padded section reinforced with a solid frame like a true collar. But for dragging light objects and also pulling a cart, why wouldn't a Euro collar be acceptable? I was thinking of getting one for Thunder muffin since he pulls a variety of objects that aren't very heavy, and it would save me from having to have separate collar and breastcollar. Please, o ye experienced driving peoples, give unto me your knowledge! : )

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So I understand the arguments about line of draft, but can someone explain to me why a brollar or Euro collar or whatever people are calling them nowadays are bad? I know that a Euro collar is not sturdy enough to drag heavy things, since it's not built with a padded section reinforced with a solid frame like a true collar. But for dragging light objects and also pulling a cart, why wouldn't a Euro collar be acceptable? I was thinking of getting one for Thunder muffin since he pulls a variety of objects that aren't very heavy, and it would save me from having to have separate collar and breastcollar. Please, o ye experienced driving peoples, give unto me your knowledge! : )

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If you cast a critical eyeball on the Eurocollar, you will discover that functionally, it works exactly like a breast collar. It is flexible, so it is capable of squeezing the shoulders. The traces attach to the collar in exactly the same spot as a breast collar, in relation to the shoulder blade, meaning that all the load is taken on the highly mobile lower end of the shoulder blade. They are frequently seen to gape badly away from the horse's shoulders. And when hitched to a low draft vehicle as they invariably are, the weight of the load will be partially deflected upward to the top of the neck, exactly like a breast collar. The only saving grace is that the pad on top of the collar is wider than a neckstrap, and so distributes the weight over a larger surface of the top of the horse's neck. From my point of view as a harnessmaker, they are a successfully marketed fashion item that fails utterly to "combine the best of the neck collar and the breast collar." I acknowledge that some people love them, but as a student of harness and driving equipment function, I find the Euro collar to be a seriously flawed concept. Individually, some makers's designs have additional flaws not listed above.

It is very true that a poorly fitted neck collar used with the wrong vehicle can induce injury. The same is true for an incorrectly used breast collar.
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