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post #21 of 39 Old 10-31-2010, 07:31 PM Thread Starter
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He has always been in regular work, so I would say he is fairly fit.

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post #22 of 39 Old 10-31-2010, 07:44 PM
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Hey everyone!

I just wanted to give a different viewpoint on the same horse. I've ridden him twice, and although I event and am not a "Dressage queen," I've run into a few problems with him.

If I take contact with him, normal, light hands but not nonexistent, his chin goes into his chest. There is also a twelve year old girl riding him, and she has very heavy hands. I have a suspicion that her riding does him no good- he does everything to relieve pressure on his mouth, and because he is used to her hands, he does the same with anyone else.

I did find that if I took a light contact and consistently pushed and encouraged him to engage from behind, he would track up and do alright for a bit, but then lack the confidence to continue to carry himself. I think a good term for him would be "nervous and afraid it'll hurt."


On a side note- I jumped him over a small crossrail the second time I rode him, and he came onto the bit and seemed more than happy to stay consistently on the bit when we were jumping. Seems to reinforce my theory that he's used to harsh hands while working on dressage. (The girl who rides him does not jump him.)

I think good exercises for him would be ones that boost his confidence on the flat, and show him that he can carry his head where it belongs and it won't hurt. =] He is a cute little guy.
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Pheobe,

This thing you described with "bumps" and widening your hands is something I learnde way back in my first dressage lessons. The reason it works is that when you widen your hands out to the side, you are effectively shortening the reins. It is the geometry of a triangle. If you keep your hands in a direct line out from the the whither, no closer to yourself and no farther away than before, you will still have shortened the rein by virtue of taking it out to the side. This is really a great way to maintain contact with the mouth when it reaches down and forward or comes back, by use of this "stretchy triangle". It is also a way to rapidly shorten the rein if needed, tho the amount that it shortens is not a ton.
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post #24 of 39 Old 10-31-2010, 08:10 PM
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Thanks tinyliny for explaining that more eloquently then me. I know the reasons behind it, however, I find it hard to express that in words. It definitely works and I would highly recommend it to anyone. The give and take that this type of contact allows I think is much better for the horse because you don't have to readjust your reins to reinforce, just go wide, get desired result, go back to normal and you'll have a nice longer rein. Works for our HUS horses everytime, so I'm very interested and excited to hear this is something that our training has in common with dressage. Thanks!
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post #25 of 39 Old 11-01-2010, 05:22 AM
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MI, I think it likely that a horse will be affected by a stream of different riders each adopting a slightly different style of ridng. When I have gone in the past to teaching riding centres where trained horses are provided for the students it has usually been the case that the last rider of any session was one of the centre's riders who have then 're instructed' the horse.

It is for this reason that I have stopped riding my own horse because I know that something is wrong with the way I am sitting which prevents DiDi from wanting to stay in the rounded profile. Noticeably DiDi will stay rounded with Claire until allowed to relax, whereas with me mounted up DiDi will drop out of it.

If I want Claire and DiDi to succeed in competition then I must let go of the horse.
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I recently got to hop on a 4 year old horse by Donnerhall. Very big, very spooky and very inconsistent in the contact. The horse also had turning issues.

The first thing that must be done is for the rider to "grab mane" and ride forward. So much can be fixed simply with forward motion - not running, but asking for longer, more reaching strides from the horse. Then the horse will create a contact and it becomes far more stable.

On the Donnerhall it was very cool he actually calmed down as soon as he was ridden forward to the contact. He started to stretch ad became consistently round, didn't spook and became far straighter and easier to turn.

Remember the horse is far more adept at walking, trotting and cantering on four legs than you will ever be. Let him do his job.

Good luck!
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MI, I think it likely that a horse will be affected by a stream of different riders each adopting a slightly different style of ridng. When I have gone in the past to teaching riding centres where trained horses are provided for the students it has usually been the case that the last rider of any session was one of the centre's riders who have then 're instructed' the horse.

It is for this reason that I have stopped riding my own horse because I know that something is wrong with the way I am sitting which prevents DiDi from wanting to stay in the rounded profile. Noticeably DiDi will stay rounded with Claire until allowed to relax, whereas with me mounted up DiDi will drop out of it.

If I want Claire and DiDi to succeed in competition then I must let go of the horse.

I am confused what your posts have to do with my original post? I am not going to stop riding my horse....

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Sorry QHD - I have drifted off subject.

I am certainly not suggesting you give up your horse - please accept my apologies.

Your thread has turned into an interesting debate, thank you for starting it.
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post #29 of 39 Old 11-01-2010, 06:49 PM
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On the Donnerhall it was very cool he actually calmed down as soon as he was ridden forward to the contact. He started to stretch ad became consistently round, didn't spook and became far straighter and easier to turn.

Remember the horse is far more adept at walking, trotting and cantering on four legs than you will ever be. Let him do his job.

Good luck!
You are so right. The first thing I often tell people is to just let go of your hands.

I know it goes against all logical reasoning to let go of something that seems like it might turn into a speeding freight train but it works. It's really hard, I remember thinking my trainer should go get his head examined if he though I was going to give a long rein to a speedy horse, but lo and behold, one day I went for it, and I've never looked back.

A solid steady hold will do nothing but frustrate both parties. A quick correct and let go again will work. It might take some time for both of you to get used to but eventually it will click. If the horse gets quick drive him forward and do a small circle and spiral out until it is bigger but avoid going to the hands.

Have you tried any of the things people have mentioned yet? Just curious. I always like to hear what works and what didn't . Happy Riding!
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post #30 of 39 Old 11-01-2010, 07:41 PM Thread Starter
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I didn't ride him much today, and he was really good with his head, it was mostly his shoulders all over the place today.

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