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post #11 of 22 Old 05-05-2012, 11:07 AM
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Because you are trying to get into an AQHA type frame you are probably slowing him down and forcing headset too quickly. My suggestion is to ride in a forward motion when you start your ride. Do a good posting trot and don't really worry about the head. Push him forward with his back end and sort of lift up on the reins a little. He won't like it, I'm not saying hold his head way up high or anything but pick it up so he has to lift his shoulders if that makes sense, and once you feel him riding correctly, then ask for headset, once you get that then you can start asking for the slower trots.

Is he giving to the bit?

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Because you are trying to get into an AQHA type frame you are probably slowing him down and forcing headset too quickly. My suggestion is to ride in a forward motion when you start your ride. Do a good posting trot and don't really worry about the head. Push him forward with his back end and sort of lift up on the reins a little. He won't like it, I'm not saying hold his head way up high or anything but pick it up so he has to lift his shoulders if that makes sense, and once you feel him riding correctly, then ask for headset, once you get that then you can start asking for the slower trots.

Is he giving to the bit?
Actually, that's exactly what I do now. A few weeks ago I rode him and he did exceptionally well, then ever since then he's done great. At the beginning of the ride, I let him trot however he wants (at a controlled speed of course); I post and I just let him loosen up a bit. After a lap or two around the arena he's putting his head down on his own and leaving it there, striding out well...it just feels really good. So I've stopped asking him to put his head down really because now he's just doing it naturally! And he has a GREAT slow trot with still plenty of impulsion. :)
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Also, I find the more I push him forward into a long and low stride, the better his headset gets.
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And yes, he gives to the bit very well.
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Headset is meaningless. How the horse uses his hind legs, abdominals, and top line muscles is everything.

I wish the word headset would disappear from the horse world forever.
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Also, I find the more I push him forward into a long and low stride, the better his headset gets.
Head/neck isn't as important; you want the horse's spine to round up. Therefore beginning to carry himself. Reins should be long enough that they aren't death-grip tight, but not terribly loose either.

YOU have to be loose, and ask for forward forward forward. (And I don't mean rushing off like he's being chased by tigers.. he needs to be forward in a controlled manner. Use your seat to control that tempo.)

Push him forward, follow with a nice loose seat, not bracing against anything.

As Kayty said, ride your horse properly, when he's set up properly, including a half halt, transition him to a different gait ( or a figure.) Prepare him again, and transition him back down or change direction. Keep balancing him and sending him forward.

Throw "collection" out of the window, right now. That comes way WAY later. I'm talking years later, as many equine professionals in top ranks are STILL working on that.

When he's properly off the forehand you could stop and he would stop on the rear, not plow or drag or dig into the front.

It takes times and a good instructor is crucial as you aren't experienced enough to tell when they're put together or what you need to add.. YET!

And for heaven's sake, please be teachable. If your horse was doing all of this already, you wouldn't be here asking would you? I don't know it all, no one does. I'm willing to try and accept that maybe I've got some work to do.

Not just talking to the OP, by the way.

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I never said I was done or didn't have work to do! I was just sharing that I know what another person was talking about and that it worked for my horse.
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I never said I was done or didn't have work to do! I was just sharing that I know what another person was talking about and that it worked for my horse.
Noo that wasn't for you, though it is very important to be teachable :)

Maybe you could post a video and we could help you out better if you still don't quite understand?

Do you have an instructor, btw?

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Excuse my confusion... but how does one collect a horse while it is on the forehand? And how do you make a horse collect in a way that makes it 'round itself'?
Lol, Kayty! I think mildot already said it: most people don't use the word "collection" in true meaning of it.




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It depends on the situation, but the school horse that I ride gets on his forehand and starts getting heavy on the forehand, and getting fast and cutting corners. I find that a good solution is to make him go deeper into his corners, that way he needs to collect himself a bit. Still, I am no dressage rider, so if you're looking for anything but basic balance I won't be a huge help.

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