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post #11 of 23 Old 06-14-2012, 07:25 PM
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So yes, this is a desired outcome, because it clearly demonstrates the problem.
Thanks, Chiilaa- you're right we have definitely identified a problem! I was thinking about your advice and it's very clear that my seat & leg are not getting my point across- so now to find out how much of the problem is me and how much is her not understanding (probably mostly the former! ).

I like your suggestions on how to try to encourage her to balance herself. Can't wait to bring this up with my instructor and have her watch us in person!

(OP, sorry to hijack your thread, and glad you found some success in your ride today!)
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post #12 of 23 Old 06-14-2012, 07:32 PM
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I found the trotting on the buckle to be very effective. My horse Sammy was great for leaning/bracing on your hands and slowly speeding up.

A friend told me to do this following the fenceline until he was consistent then move into a larger paddock and then make up patterns in the open. Because my horse also sped up, she said only touch one rein to bend is neck and if needed turn him in a circle towards the fence until he is at the speed I want.

At first he was completely lost because he didn't think he had anything to guide him or help him balance. He has improved a lot and is now responding to my seat and legs much more. I also had a slight problem of him wiping me off on the fence which I could seem to stop him from doing. After doing what I described above which resulted in him hitting his nose a bit hard on the fence a few times he keeps a respectful distance between himself and the fence.

I have yet to move up to cantering but it does help a lot.

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post #13 of 23 Old 06-14-2012, 10:28 PM
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I'm interested in what you guys would do with a leaner who, when you drop the reins and push it forward as described above, will then bog off with you. Someone at my yard who has a leaner asked me for advice and I said, more or less, what you guys just said, which worked like a charm on my horse a zillion years ago when she used to lean. This owner said, "Yeah, but then he takes off with you." At which point I said, "Oh, right. That's kind of a bigger problem." I then uncertainly suggested they ride lots and lots of transitions and find a good trainer.
when he takes off, ask him to go more forward, kick and encourage even faster...99% of the time, the horse goes wait, that was MY idea! and stops. and when they try to stop, say oh no, you wanted to take off, let's keep galloping! come on! let's GO!

quickest way to break a bolter that i've ever found ;)

(note: please do NOT attempt this unless you are an experienced rider/trainer - i used to break horses for the track so well used to rider bolters)
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post #14 of 23 Old 06-15-2012, 12:45 AM
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This owner said, "Yeah, but then he takes off with you." At which point I said, "Oh, right. That's kind of a bigger problem." I then uncertainly suggested they ride lots and lots of transitions and find a good trainer.
Big loopy figure eights.
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post #15 of 23 Old 06-20-2012, 01:41 AM
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Hi! I am currently Riding a horse that does the same thing! She gets really heavy at the trot! I was reading your posts and saw that someone suggested

Ride the buckle
And drop the contact

What does that mean :) -thanks!

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post #16 of 23 Old 06-20-2012, 01:52 AM
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And also what is a half halt? Sort for dumb questions :)

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post #17 of 23 Old 06-20-2012, 04:14 AM
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Riding on the buckle means literally just holding the buckle on your reins. Though if your riding in split reins just make sure there is a fairly big loop in your reins.

Dropping contact dont hold your horses mouth with your reins so like explained above.

I'm not going to go into a half halt though I don't want to explain it wrong.

Kind of like this picture I got off google


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post #18 of 23 Old 06-20-2012, 04:31 AM
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I'm interested in what you guys would do with a leaner who, when you drop the reins and push it forward as described above, will then bog off with you. Someone at my yard who has a leaner asked me for advice and I said, more or less, what you guys just said, which worked like a charm on my horse a zillion years ago when she used to lean. This owner said, "Yeah, but then he takes off with you." At which point I said, "Oh, right. That's kind of a bigger problem." I then uncertainly suggested they ride lots and lots of transitions and find a good trainer.
My friend's 5yo TB mare leans like anything for balance so each session I get her into a nice big, loose trot and keep dropping contact. I don't do it all at once because she takes this as a signal to canter and as she's very narrow set and unbalanced on the turns, this is pretty unsafe in an arena. So I just drop a hand's length on each rein (together) every letter, and eventually she's working in a long, low outline.

If she gets too fast and excited I change reins across the diagonal or do Skyseternalangel's big loopy figure eights to give her something to think about. Once she's settled and balanced, I work on her trot-walk and walk-halt transitions with seat only, then start taking up a very light contact and doing the same. She's getting there slowly. A better rider/trainer would in all probability get all this fixed a lot lot faster but at least we've had some progress *shrugs*.
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A half halt is half of a halt.

Leg on the horse to ask for impulsion, stop hip motion for 1-2 strides, squeeze rein for one to two strides, release and follow with your seat.

It helps to re-balance the horse and let them know something is coming next (what I do for my green horse)

If you don't ask the horse for impulsion first, then they slow down and lose their drive.

Gotta do it properly, with the help of a riding instructor if you aren't familiar with it. Or you can teach it the wrong way and it will be useless.

This is an old thread: https://www.horseforum.com/dressage/m...s-92170/page5/

but has good information in it.
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Riding on the buckle means literally just holding the buckle on your reins. Though if your riding in split reins just make sure there is a fairly big loop in your reins.

Dropping contact dont hold your horses mouth with your reins so like explained above.

I'm not going to go into a half halt though I don't want to explain it wrong.

Kind of like this picture I got off google


Thanks a bunch :)

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