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post #1 of 17 Old 05-22-2019, 08:46 AM Thread Starter
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leaning at canter

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me and my loan have always had some issues with cantering, my seats pretty crappy and she is always very stretched out, and due to some issues with her back legs she would often be disunited or on the wrong lead (even trot with her back legs and canter with the front)

because of all this me and my trainer agreed its best not to force her into the corners, so we take the school as a big circle/oval when cantering...

she obviously finds this easier than the track (she would fall back into trot in corners) but now she seems to really be leaning over to the inside of the school and the circles are getting smaller and smaller...

i can stop her from spiralling in pretty easily, im also trying to collect her a little bit (or at least just slow her down as she canters like shes racing on a hack) but the leaning has me stumped, shes never done that with me before and its actually quite freaky... i dont really know what to do, try and compensate by leaning in? or let her loose her balance and learn that way?


so i really need some suggestions on how to stop her leaning in- though please bare in mind both of our skill levels...

thanks!

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Have you investigated what those issues with her back legs are? If she's unsound it's not fair to ask her to keep working.
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Have you investigated what those issues with her back legs are? If she's unsound it's not fair to ask her to keep working.
arthritis, gets pretty bad in the cold but working her is the best thing for it- and in warm weather like this you wouldnt even know she had any issues, she just looks a little bit crazy rushing around the school

i think the leaning is now more to do with her being out of practice of cantering 'properly' and actually using her back legs but im not too sure, either way shes moving them really well atm so i dont think its pain or even atheritis related.

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A video would be super helpful to get a feel for what's going on.

She is probably unbalanced, and being very stiff in her body , and hocks, would cause that. I would work on lateral moves at walk and trot.
The old adage was . . You improve the canter by improving the walk and trot . . .(or something like that)
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You use your seat, legs, hands, to keep a horse from leaning.

What does your instructor say?
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A video would be super helpful to get a feel for what's going on.

She is probably unbalanced, and being very stiff in her body , and hocks, would cause that. I would work on lateral moves at walk and trot.
The old adage was . . You improve the canter by improving the walk and trot . . .(or something like that)
i dont even know if she knows any latteral movements, that being said shes done pleanty of sideways walking and even cantering when she spooks or naps XD ill try it out, maybe ill ask my instructor to show me while doing some circles

ill post a video on friday if possible, though you will have to excuse my riding a little bit

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You use your seat, legs, hands, to keep a horse from leaning.

What does your instructor say?
my instructor said that its because shes doing a proper canter and not her usual 'shuffle' and doesnt really know what to do...
she hasnt really given me much advice on it as we were focusing on doing some little jumps (as her legs are so much better)

as for seat leg hands, im using lots of outside rein and leg to push her out anyway as shes taken to just randomly cantering to the oposite corner (just her being cheeky)
but im not sure what to do with my seat, if i lean to the outside i feel less like shes going to fall but she just continues to lean...

i can straighten her up a bit (and she even shortens her strides whoop!) along the longersides of the school, but as soon as she has to turn its the same thing...

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When a horse leans in on me, I lift my inside hand up an inch or so, and press my inside leg on to push them back out for a couple steps.

Then I put them into a correct circle, still supporting with my inside aids to push them out.

If they lean going into the corner or the short side then I know a step or two before the corner I will need to lift my inside hand.

Other times I will go to a sitting trot on the short side to balance the horse up around the corners and short side.

If they still lean then when I lift my inside hand I do it abruptly to bop them in the mouth a bit to let them know they are leaning, then may also give a boot with my inside leg too. Doing lateral work like tinyliny mentioned would help with this situation, so the horse knows what you mean when you put that leg and hand on.

I don't think you should lean to counteract anything here, I think that would be dangerous.
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When a horse leans in on me, I lift my inside hand up an inch or so, and press my inside leg on to push them back out for a couple steps.

Then I put them into a correct circle, still supporting with my inside aids to push them out.

If they lean going into the corner or the short side then I know a step or two before the corner I will need to lift my inside hand.

Other times I will go to a sitting trot on the short side to balance the horse up around the corners and short side.

If they still lean then when I lift my inside hand I do it abruptly to bop them in the mouth a bit to let them know they are leaning, then may also give a boot with my inside leg too. Doing lateral work like tinyliny mentioned would help with this situation, so the horse knows what you mean when you put that leg and hand on.

I don't think you should lean to counteract anything here, I think that would be dangerous.
thanks that makes so much more sense, sorry im not too good at understanding the technical aspects... now you mention it my trainer has been working on me keeping my hands up a bit, especially as she likes to carry her head so low... i guess you would want the rein to block her neck a bit too...
ive been attempting pushing her out into a bigger circle at a walk and ill talk to my trainer about teaching her properly now i have a saddle... i can definatly see how that would help her understand rather than me almost pulling her to the outside.
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I'm just sort of questioning why you are leasing a horse with issues.

Anyway, if you are a new rider and, as you have said, your seat's "pretty crappy", could you be doing something differently than before? Like putting too much weight on your outside seat bone as you apply (and maintain?) the canter aid?

You should have more weight on your inside seat bone. And, while your outside leg is applying the "windshield wiper" aid, your inside leg needs to be just behind the girth. The idea is that you are asking your horse to bend around your inside led, and your weight on that inside seatbone is making it impossible for her to fall in. HOWEVER, weight on the inside seat bone does NOT mean you should be leaning in.
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I'm just sort of questioning why you are leasing a horse with issues.

Anyway, if you are a new rider and, as you have said, your seat's "pretty crappy", could you be doing something differently than before? Like putting too much weight on your outside seat bone as you apply (and maintain?) the canter aid?

You should have more weight on your inside seat bone. And, while your outside leg is applying the "windshield wiper" aid, your inside leg needs to be just behind the girth. The idea is that you are asking your horse to bend around your inside led, and your weight on that inside seatbone is making it impossible for her to fall in. HOWEVER, weight on the inside seat bone does NOT mean you should be leaning in.
i started leasing her just to build my confidence up, now im totally in love xD- and her issues have taught me to be a much better rider though unfortunatly not in the 'well schooled or pretty' way, more in an 'i can stick on when this horse is an idiot' way....
but i just dont think my canter seat is ever going to be how i want it to be (i bounce a bit and it really upsets me lol) even with all the work ive been putting in to improving it recently...

as for leaning; since ive been riding bareback recently i found i actually tend to lean to the outside, as i almost slipped over afew times, its possible that because of this im overcompensating and leaning in which would explain why shes only started leaning recently...
or even that shes decided to help me out and is still expecting me to lean...

canter cue is mostly muscle memory at this point so im not really sure if im doing what you say, i know i put the outside leg back but she tends to ignore this when ever she feels like and i dont relize if shes on the wrong lead to correct her...
what i do know though is i do a sort of scooping motion to get a good canter (when shes fighting me) and when she offers one all she needs is a slightly firmer hold on the reins (to help balance her) and any kind of leg pressure...

also i have to add, all of these 'issues' sound much worse when written out, in real life it barely affects the way i ride, i think its just her way of compromising on my part.
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