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post #11 of 47 Old 03-29-2012, 02:24 PM
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I think the ORS has it's place, but due to the popularity of it with the whole NH crowd, it is severely overdone by a lot of people. The only time I really use a version of the ORS is if a young horse I'm on decides they want to start pitching....or if they try to bolt. Even on the bolt, it's not actually a ORS that I do. It's more that I circle them down to control their speed and try to get their mind focused again.

This is the only reason I've ever employed anything resembling a one rein stop. Kind of like an emergency break if you're being run off with and the horse is just plain ignoring your hands.

At the "Dude Ranch" I worked at for all of a day and a half (the more I saw the more horrified I became until I finally quit lol), all of their horses were "trained" to a one rein stop. This basically translated to none of them had any breaks unless you ran them into a fence or a tree. The fact that they were all ridden in mechanical hackamores with halters on underneath may have had something to do with that as well
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That's the thing I am talking about; the horse gets used to just swinging it's head around to its' shoulder, gritting it's teeth, so to speak, and bulldozing forward. YOu have NO connection to the feet at all.
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The connection to the feet is in a person's seat and legs isn't it..? At least, that's the end game for me. A horse won't run through the pull if the rider knows how to push with the opposite leg, or correct with a pop.
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I think the bit/rein should always be connected to the feet, especially the hind end. Just having the horse flex and drop his head but still fall forward onto the forehand is what one sees a lot of the time.
But, since I do come from a dressage background (very low level, mind you) I do want to have the horse come TO the bit, not drop behind it, so that he just plows forward with a curled back neck.
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It's always been an emergency measure for me. I probably don't do a "formal" one rein stop when I do it either, but if my horse is about to take off or is popping a few bucks etc, I shorten one rein, pull them around and disengage that hind end quick as I can. As soon as the threat of insanity is over, I give back their head and resume business as usual.

I honestly don't know how else I'd be able to save my booty from some nasty falls or accidents if I didn't do this. I'd be interested to know how those who don't utilize a one rein stop respond to a horse having a meltdown. Sure, you can say "MY" horse is trained better than that and any horse ought to be trained better than that, but when the sh*t hits the fan and you have a horse going berserk under you, how on earth do you regain control of the situation?
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Do you actually stop her or just circle her? I know alot of people who bend their horses to the right an left to get them to calm an focus more.
I stop her. But I only have to do this when she gets full of herself. She sometimes forgets that a trot does NOT have to be done at full speed AND she is a tad flighty. But she was highly abused before she came to be where she is, so her flightiness is to be expected.

She was more or less a pasture potato for 5 years and then it was decided to sell her so they tried cramming 5 years of training in to a two week period. Needless to say, she did not sell. So when she was found she was in a kill pen.

She's come a long way in the last few years. She really needs stability and someone who can work with just her one on one so her rescuer offered her to me.

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I've ridden lots of green horses, started several, and retrained many ottb's. It, when taught correctly, can calm a horse down, stop a bolter or bucker. Like many NH fad techniques, it it is often over done/not done correctly. a horse has to understand that asking for a one rein stop = disengaging the hindquarters and coming to a stop.
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I think y'all are confused about what a one rein stop is...

Like smrobs, I have and will continue to keep it as an option IF it is defined as "turn them in a slowly tightening circle until they slow down". That can be useful a lot of times, and sometimes has been the only way to slow down my mare in a mindless bolt. And BTW, Mia & I have spent 5 months now working on her fears, and she is doing much better - so it IS a training issue, but not always one you know about until it is too late.

Not all horses, in a bolt, respond to having their heads turned. 30 years ago, visiting a ranch, I rode a bombproof horse who, that day, wasn't bombproof. As he bolted, and we got closer to a barbed wire fence, I brought his head around until his nose was inches from my knee, and he was STILL in a full gallop toward the fence. Happily, some months before an old cowboy told me you could sometimes turn a bolting horse by hammering their shoulder with your boot. It worked that day, although I don't think very many 'natural horsemanship' folks teach it...

However, the woman I took lessons from last summer had a different idea of a one rein stop. On the horses she trained, if you tipped their nose in significantly, they would stop. With my horses, if they don't start walking, I sometimes tip their nose in and their balance encourages them to start walking. Got scolded for that, because in her system of training, it was important that when you tipped the nose to one side, they understood "Stop!"

Now, how does that cue improve over pulling back on the reins? I don't know. Maybe it was less likely to result in a rider gripping tight with the knees. Maybe it was supposed to get the horse back in touch with the rider. I don't know. My horses are not trained that way, so it wouldn't 'work' for me.

But tightening a circle, and if need be, disengaging them at the end? That will work on most horses if there is room, trained or not. I did it with Mia this morning, when we were cantering & she saw Trooper cantering ahead and decided, "DAMMIT! I can outrun him!" So we started turning in a tightening circle until she slowed and agreed to let me set the speed.

But I think that is the poor boy's version of a one rein stop. The 'right way' involves training, and I don't do the training for it.

But I do NOT see how it hurts anyone to have a ORS in their bag of tricks. I don't use a pulley rein all the time, but it is a good trick to know. I don't haul back and kick horses on the shoulder to turn them, but it worked the one time I needed it to work.
"I have never felt that it would be necessary to teach the one rein stop to my own horses or the horses that I ride."
Must be nice. Mia & I have done lots of bolting together. Working on retraining an 11 year old horse who was sold to me 4 years ago as 'perfect for a beginner' has made an interesting 5 months.
"I also believe that being able to read your horse and have great feel and timing are extremely important."
Agreed. Part of what I've worked on hard for 5 months now is reading Mia's moods, and learning when to let her have her head and when to restrain her. But in the world where many of us live, perfect knowledge and reading of one's horse isn't always an option. There are a variety of ways of calming a horse that is starting to get worked up. There are also times a Full-Bore Panic Bolt (FBPB) hits rather quickly, and without a lot of warning. When it does is NOT the time to start thinking about what to do now. Having a big bag of tricks, with a variety of options to choose from, is what I want!
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ORS has saved my butt quite a few times, so I do use it. It helped me out just 2 weeks ago when my horse turned into a fire breathing dragon and decided he wanted to turn around and go home NOW. Instead a going home at a dead run, we went safely at a jigging walk.

However, I use it solely for bolt prevention. Once a horse is in a full bolt, that just isn't a good option. I did spend quite a bit of time teaching it to my horse, and we have since refined it into a much less pronounced hind end disengagement. He feels me start to take up one rein and gives up on following through. I am also not a fan of the overbending rubber neck thing, so the less I have to use the full blown version the better.

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The way that lots of the NH gurus teach it, I don't like how much it limits the maneuvers you can put on your horse later on. I like to be able to bend their nose to my knee, apply leg to that side, and have them move sideways so all a true "ORS" would accomplish on one of my more finished horses would be to get them to bolt sideways instead of forward.......

BUT, on one of my finished horses, they likely wouldn't be bolting in the first place and as I finish a young horse out, I don't like the idea of having to go back in and teach them than "bend+leg does not equal stop, even though that's what I did teach you at first, now I'm changing it"

In all my years of riding, almost every horse I've ever rode that bolted was lacking in his basic training to begin with. If you teach them a good solid stop from the start, then a ORS as defined by NH gurus shouldn't be needed. Over the years, I've only ever had 2 horses fly into a straight blind panic where no amount of training could have prevented them from running off.
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