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post #11 of 22 Old 06-30-2011, 07:05 PM
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HITS...I switched to the Pelham as well because I felt like I was giving everything I had with legs and felt like I had a ton in my hand on the french link, and wouldn't get a response. Horse is so much softer in the Pelham.

If this is the bit that works for you and Sandie, don't worry about what the others say. They do not ride her, and didn't feel how much pressure you were having to ask with before or now.

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Originally Posted by JustDressageIt View Post
Sorry, Kayty, I have to disagree - there is no poll action on the Baucher. There is only one fixed point, not two, so there is nothing for the bit to get any sort of leverage on. It's more like a full cheek with bit keepers in that the upper, fixed ring is to keep the bit at the proper angle.
As for a heavy horse - back to basics and how to get off the forehand, sadly. Bits may make a horse evade backwards away from pressure, but that's not what you want - you want contact with self carriage.
I do believe that there is slight poll pressure with this bit, I was recommended its use for one of my horses by one of Australia's top dressage riders during a clinic because of this action, and spoke to the owner of 'bit bank australia' who also described its action as using slight poll pressure. When the rein is pulled back/more contact taken against the snaffle ring, this pushes the connector ring slightly towards the front of the horse's head, which applies mild poll pressure due to being connected to the cheek pieces, which in turn run over the horse's poll.

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post #13 of 22 Old 06-30-2011, 09:53 PM Thread Starter
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I used a boucher once recently but saw no real difference from my french link.

velvets I wish I could ride her in that pelham all the time but no go for dressage! :)
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post #14 of 22 Old 07-01-2011, 01:38 PM
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Hoofprints, I wouldn't feel too bad about using a pelham. It is worlds better than a kimberwicke, and from my personal experience, the curb may not even be very necessary if the horse knows that it is there. When I ride my pony, I always carry a dressage whip... but very rarely use it much at all. She knows I have it if I need it, so she moves out.

My mom and I have recently progressed with our warmblood mare in her dressage training to the point that we have begun to utilize the double bridle, which is essentially a pelham in two separate pieces. We are still learning to use the double bridle effectively and responsibly... and honestly I have frequently ridden with the curb rein completely slack... but I am still surprised at how light and responsive our warmblood has become with the curb merely being there.
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With all the expert opinions around you will always find someone to agree and disagree with your particular choice of bit.

The most important voice in all the shouting is that of your horse, if you can truly say that you have found something that suits both your horse and you, and gives you great communication in the softest possible way, then who cares what anyone else says. Just smile politely and say "It works for us"

Personally I like pelhams, I'm even enough of a philistine to like pelhams with a joiner so I can ride with one rein...........yes I know I lose finesse etc etc, but G Man and I get on OK with it.

Choosing a bit for dressage is a minefield, when I converted Mr G to English I started riding him in a French Link Eggbutt, only to find that while the French Link was OK up here, it had to be a loose ring not an Eggbutt, and he hated the loose ring, so does my mare I ended up buying Myler snaffles for them which was better, but then had to change from my plain cavesson, to a flash noseband to try and get back to where we were.

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post #16 of 22 Old 07-01-2011, 03:41 PM Thread Starter
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I've heard the term Myler, what's the real difference between your run of the mill snaffle and those?
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The Myler bits, IMO, are fantastic. They will not collapse inwards, eliminating any sort of nutcracker effect. Due to the barrel, each side moves completely independently from the other - you can spin one cheekpiece completely around 360* and it will not affect the other side of the bit. They're a bit thinner than some other bits on the market, which some horses do prefer. They also have copper inlay, encouraging salivation.
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As well as the benefits that JDI lists, and I bought my first one simply because it was dressage legal, not loose ring and no nutcracker action, the shape of the mouthpiece also gives plenty of tongue room, especially for my small mouthed but thick tounged Haffies

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post #19 of 22 Old 07-02-2011, 08:44 AM Thread Starter
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So which myler do you think would be best fit my girl who goes well in her pelham but hangs hard on regular french link or single jointed snaffles? I've tried eggbutt and dee ring...
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post #20 of 22 Old 07-15-2011, 10:19 PM
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I would stick with your Pelham.

You're using it correctly how it is- a temporary training tool. The optional leverage is there when you need it, until she fully learns lightness in a snaffle at all times. Just work on slowly weaning her off the curb rein, and focus on the snaffle rein more.
I want all my horses in a snaffle. But if one is really not understanding a headset with just a snaffle, I don't object to using a bit with optional leverage, like a pelham or elevator, to lighten them up a bit, then work them back to the snaffle.

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