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post #1 of 18 Old 06-09-2012, 04:40 PM Thread Starter
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Unhappy position help!!

hey i am an intermediate advanced english rider and i am really struggling with my position at the moment

i ride at a riding school so ride a wide variety of horses

Because i work there at the weekends i usually ride the ones that others dont want to ride because their scared of them bucking/bolting and stuff or the new horses that have never worked in a riding school and there testing them out, because im not a nervous rider, i am fine on the horses that are forward, frisky, buck, rear and strong, i am fine position wise.

BUT when i get on the horses who have been at the riding school for years and have a few tricks up their sleeve (like refusing to move, slamming on the brakes etc... just being a pain in the butt) i really stuggle

in my lesson this week i was on a really stubborn horse who is just a pain in the butt and stops and i dont really get on with her when riding, she was refusing to move for like half of the lesson and i had definately worked harder than she had i was absolutely exhausted and was nearly passing out at the end and i have completely wrecked my hip knee and ankles their swollen and bruised,

Anyway back to position! when i ride these sorts of horses, when they stop or slow down i completely forget about position and lean back which is even worse than forward in this situation because this makes them want to stop

i need help !!!!

ANY advice welcome !

im really down about this and was crying after my lesson because i thought i had got out of this habit but i clearly haventim just soooooo frustrated!!!
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I had a similar experience recently. I don't have the same skill/confidence with difficult horses, but I am not used to riding a horse that won't go forward when asked. It made me work so hard to get some life out of this school horse, and consequently, I got all scrunched up in my seat, working so hard to get my leg on strongly. When I did relax and timed my squeezes with the inside leg stepping under, i got better results. And, haveing someone on the ground pointing out to me when I was sucking up and all helped . Doing it on my own would be impossible to have good position. So, basically, I am saying, "I know what you are talking about." No real advice here.
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If she moves like molassas, have a crop with you. If you just use your leg, then you are desensitizing them to your leg aids (as in teaching them to IGNORE your leg.)

The only way you can effectively ride a problem horse is to NEVER compromise your seat. Your seat is how you stay on. If the horse isn't moving forward with enough impulsion, get a crop and teach it your leg aid = respond or you will get the crop tickle or tap. If they slam on the brakes, don't compromise your seat. Perhaps instead of full halts, do a series of half halts so they slow down the halt.

This video has ways to achieve a good position (not just for Dressage) How To Practice Your Classical Seat In Horseback Riding - YouTube maybe it will help you.

Also in lessons, does your coach give you position reminders like "stretch your spine up, sit up, stretch legs down, use your abs, etc." ? Because that will help you to remember if she reminds you now and then. Riding a horse is a series of multitasking lol.. hard to remember everything!
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i do carry a crop wether im on a frisky horse or not but i do tap her but have no results, even when i give her a tickle for ignoring my leg when she is moving, she will stop dead in protest!!!

i really need help any more advice anyone?
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Originally Posted by ilovemyponies View Post

i do carry a crop wether im on a frisky horse or not but i do tap her but have no results, even when i give her a tickle for ignoring my leg when she is moving, she will stop dead in protest!!!

i really need help any more advice anyone?
This is going to sound mean to all those softys...

but if she has gotten into stopping as a habit, you need to wear spurs. Not rock grinders, but you do need to invest in some. Still carry the crop. When she stops, SMACK her butt with the crop. Don't 'tap,' I mean Smack! If that doesn't work, jab her stomach with those spurs. She's broke enough to know better, so it's time she started acting like it.

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hahaa,, i do proper smack her when shes refusing to move i said 'tap' because i dont want loads of people saying stuff like 'poor horse' because i do care about the horses welfare too :)

i dont think were allowed to wear spurs at the stables unless your a instructor or one of the REALLLYYY experienced riders

thanks for the advice though
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I would not use spurs to get a baulkinghorse forward. if the crop doesnt' work, try moving her in tight circles , then open the front door and see if she'll be willingto move forward. If she stops, her feet get kind of "stuck". by taking up one rein and pulling her into a tight circle, you make her move her hind feet. it's work to do this, too, so when she's offered to go straight, she might take the offer. if she baulks, go into a tight circle, offer the open door out front, and see if she'll take it. eventually, she will.
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Why won't your instructor re-train? I would ask.
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Why would they use this horse for a lesson horse? I don't understand why some barns use horses that have issues in different areas for people to learn to ride on. IMO it ruins the learning of the student to have to deal with the barns crappy acting horse. If I am paying you $40 per hour for a lesson, I want a horse that knows what it is supposed to do so that when I do something right, I get the correct response and then learn to do it correctly. Constantly arguing with a horse with an attitude is like paying someone else so I can babysit their screaming child for an hour.

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thanks for the advice id never thought of some of those methods before,,,

dressagedreamer yeah i dont mind hot horses that have occasional tantrums and that lol but its really annoying because i think shes sour for riding school and will take the mick whatever level of riders on her,,

for the little kids who are just off lead rein she will take the mick the other way and trot off without them luckily she doesn't buck or rear or anything but still...

i can tell she bored she used to be a jumper and is ace at jumping, and when its jumping courses or chase me charlie in lessons her face lights up and she is a completely different horse and will try her hardest. i did chase me charlie with her and she was forward and a fun ride for once! and she won it even though shes a pony and the rest were horses we went quite high as well!

i wish someone could do something fun with her and take her out to have fun
doing local small shows, hacking, jumping etc... just generally having a blast because i really think she'd enjoy that.... but thats just wishful thinking

any more advice welcome
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