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post #11 of 18 Old 06-12-2012, 12:21 PM
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Turning her in a tight circle will help. I don't know if your instructor allows this, but it's just a suggestion:
Try working with her on the ground more. Say 'walk on,' to make her walk. If she listens, reward her. If not, try again. If she realizes she will be rewarded, she'll be more likely to behave. Also, when she refuses to move, you'll have one more thing to back you up.
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post #12 of 18 Old 06-12-2012, 01:38 PM
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This is going to sound mean to all those softys...

but if she has gotten into stopping as a habit, you need to wear spurs. Not rock grinders, but you do need to invest in some. Still carry the crop. When she stops, SMACK her butt with the crop. Don't 'tap,' I mean Smack! If that doesn't work, jab her stomach with those spurs. She's broke enough to know better, so it's time she started acting like it.
For beginner "ruined" horses - you will need to re-train. As soon as you get on you ask them to go correctly. Ask ONCE nicely with leg - horses ignores or gives you a "barely there" response then take the whip (not spurs - those are for lateral work) and wrape it once around horses belly. Horse should bolt forward in response - ALLOW horse to gallop forward. You want forward not bucking - do not pull back - instead praise verablly, rub neck and let horse know forward was the response you wanted. Repeat throughout entire ride until horse reacts to LIGHT leg abnd/or seat use. If the cur was VERY light (and horse has been responding) then I might "excuse" one incorrect response, but not 2. One thing my trainer had me do was take the whip (which normally lies across the middle of my thigh) and stick it straight out (using your wrist - reins staying in correct position) so horse starts to understand - I asked nicely and this is a warning, next is a STRONG whip action to back up my light request.


Soon horse will learn to differentiate between you and the people who can't ride - and will, with barely a reminder, provide you with the proper response. You WILL need to be CONSISTENT ALL the time - or horse will easily backslide.

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post #13 of 18 Old 06-15-2012, 09:35 PM
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I really like Valentina's response. I have an older gentleman hunter who is also aces in the jumping and "follow the leader" (same as chase me charlie??) areas. He is incredibly dead to the leg from being used in lessons for 7 years by beginners. I too get all sucked up and drenched with sweat trying to get him to move forward. What works best is to ask once then absolutely demand the next time and reward the heck out of him when he moves forward, even if it is a gallop (especially if it is a gallop). Then I bring him back and ask again and if I don't get immediate response, back to the whip. I keep doing this until I get what I want right away and then again reward the dickens out of him. It takes several rides after he's had time off to remember what is expected out of him, but we get there. I make sure to mix in time doing what he loves too- epecially jumping and follow the leader and hacking out on trails so that he doesn't always think he's "going to work" when the tack is on. Good luck!
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post #14 of 18 Old 06-16-2012, 07:23 AM Thread Starter
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thanks for the advise i will try the techniques ive not tried before,, and hopefully get a better response :)

any advise welcome
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post #15 of 18 Old 06-16-2012, 07:55 AM
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When the horse becomes difficult, try really sucking your tummy in toward your backbone. It's difficult to lean back when you do this. I suspect this horse is so sick of arena work that she shuts down. I'll bet she's a pro at ignoring anything you might do to her. You could try annoying her with the crop, behind your leg. (think little kid tapping your arm for attention while you are trying to read, He keeps it up until he has your attention.) Stubborn horses will endure it for a while but eventually start moving. Be sure to stop the moment she begins to move. If you tap the same area it will get a little tender. Don't tap her hip or rump as that might invite a buck. Be positive about these cantankerous horses, you will become a superior rider. That is how I learned and I could ride and stick anything.



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post #16 of 18 Old 06-21-2012, 05:08 PM Thread Starter
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Smile thank you

thank you every one who answered

i did so much better this week , i was on a different horse who has a similar personality to the mare and i also struggle with him for the same reasons.

i was thinking the whole warm up 'get him listening to you, sit bolt up right , dont lean back, suck your tummy in, back him up etc...' basically everyones advice!

i was doing lots AND lots of transitions to get him listening and trying to keep the ques subtle so he had to listen to me harder, when he didn't respond from a slight nudge i put more effort into it, if he didn't respond still i backed him up a couple of steps and if he still didn't respond the way i asked him when he was allowed forward, he got a sharp tap on his bottom! Do you think this is good thing to do?

and after a couple of repeats of this, he didn't need the tap, and after more repeats he didnt even need to be backed because i think he realised it was easier to listen the first time and he went off slight nudges, i was amazed, he was listening (he was actually harder to stop than go!) im still not perfect at it but it was alot better than before!

we were also jumping on a circle so would be harder for him to to stay forward but he maintained a steady,bouncy canter with impulsion all the way round i was so proud i felt like crying i still have lots to work on though!

he doing flying changes over the jumps, haha naughty boy (i think he was showing off) and i had to keep changing him back in between the jumps and my instructor said the first time it was my fault but the rest i had good bend and was planning ahead and he was still changing lol i was like as long as you don't lose your balance or stop i don't mind thats not the focus of this lesson, ill work on that next lesson.

Ill try this technique on the mare when i next ride her and will keep you posted on if it works for her, i really hope it does
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post #17 of 18 Old 06-26-2012, 05:32 AM
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My horse is super dead to the leg, and even to spurs. Crop generally doesn't work either. I find doing tight circles, as others have mentioned, helps a lot in getting him to move in the immediate moment, but for a longer term solution I've been riding him with absolutely no leg at all (as in leg not making contact, which makes me look pretty silly!!) then when I want forward I give him a firm squeeze, open the hands and a "walk/trot on" (he learned to respond to voice aids on the lunge) and he does it. Gradually in the session, I begin to lay my leg against his side until it's just sitting there. Canter requests are still a bit hit and miss but hopefully we'll get there soon.

[Coincidentally the same thing works for my friend's zippy little TB mare, who perceived any leg as a request to gallop, no matter how small the space :/ - she's now happy to have legs resting against her (but still working toward having leg 'on').]

Anyway it's work a try :)
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post #18 of 18 Old 06-27-2012, 02:06 PM
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The technique worked with the gelding, so will work with the mare (might take more or less time as each horse is an individual). Keep us posted.

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