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post #91 of 92 Old 01-04-2013, 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by RunSlideStop View Post
Didn't read past page 4. I have this to ask:

Why on Earth would we promote a discipline that encourages surgical procedures to enhance the "look" of things? I know this is not limited to Saddleseat horses: Some dressage horses and certainly WP horses have their tails modified so that they cannot swish them. Some drafts have their tails docked completely.

If I wanted to be a basketball player, I wouldn't go to the doctor to have my legs stretched and have screws and pins added to make me taller. I would simply work harder to become faster and more agile, with better aim. If I wanted to be a swimmer, I wouldn't have webs surgically added to my fingers and toes. Why oh why is it acceptable to surgically modify animals for our amusement? Doberman Pinschers, Pit Bulls, and the like, have their ears docked. Why?... I can understand a cattle dog having it's tail docked so it doesn't get stepped on, but why does a Rottweiler need it's tail docked? Or any other basically non-working house dog?

Why don't we just breed for excellence and cull the losers? Sure would cut down a lot on all this backyard breeding and mass production breeding. Save a lot of money, too.

Rant over.
First off, as it has already been stated, there are people working to put an end to the cut tails and more folks going natural.

This isn't a thread about dogs but I also have Rottweiler's with cut tails. I didn't cut them, they were like that when I got them. That said, I did have a natural tail Rottie years ago that had to be docked as an adult because of a series of tail injuries. He had happy tail too so his tail was forever bloody and problematic. I didn't want to do it as I thought it would be a big deal but the vet said it was the best choice for that dog. Finally I had it done and the dog never seemed to notice. Not saying all dogs should be docked just that was my experience.

Did I read that right? You are against docking or cropping but FOR culling? Really?

As for promoting a discipline that encourages sugical proceedures? Some of the horses are cut but many are not. There are a lot of natural tail horses out there. In Saddleseat overall, more uncut then cut. Also, every discipline has it's dark side whether it is training methods, equipment or surgical. So much goes on that many don't see. One of the things I hate the most is the yearlings that are being ridden so they can be competing as 2 year olds. That happens in many disciplines.
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post #92 of 92 Old 01-04-2013, 11:56 PM
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Well, it is a similar thing to the cropping of dogs ears, however it is less... Traumatic. We are not cutting off parts of them. Why crop a dobermans ears or dock his tail? Just for looks.

It started off as a safety thing with the carriage horses, so that they could not clamp down should the lines get under the tail. Now it is purely for fashion. The high tail balances the image with the high neck. The horse maintains full use of his tail(exceptions occur with neglect of the tail during healing).

To reassure you, I posted a few pages back, we are slowly moving away from the practice. It is legal in every division for a horse to be shown with an unset tail, our judges(which are also our trainers) are getting used to them, and many shows, including the World Championships have added natural tail classes where they are playing on an even field. Right now, they stick out like a sore thumb and draw the eye. In doing so, every fault and mistake they make is noticed. They must make flawless shows and be considerably better than the rest. As they grow in popularity they will tie better. It is like odd colored horses or horses with a lot of white. They have to be so much better.

We are working on it as an industry. There are many who love it and many who don't, but steps are being made to encourage natural tails and not penalize those who show in the higher divisions without a high tail.
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