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post #1 of 8 Old 03-07-2019, 04:56 PM Thread Starter
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stuck on my saddle during stirrupless

hi everyone,
I really want to do some stirrupless hacks soon now that the weather is getting nicer (and less muddy if you fall off) but I have an issue when I go into trot, my horse isn't very bouncy unless I'm planning to canter.... but even so I sort of bounce back in the saddle and my thigh gets caught on the saddle. my saddle is a treeless saddle (if thats relevant?), and way too big for me so theres lots of room to slip back into, but I think that I would be able to stop this from happening with my position, at least until I get a new saddle.

so if you have any advice or have had this happen to you I would love some info.
thanks



edit- I can un catch my self pretty easily, but that means that I can only make it a few strides of trot and then I have to shuffle forward, its also giving me some pretty odd bruises the more I try and practice :O

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It sounds like you need a saddle that fits you properly. I can't quite picture what you mean when you say your thigh gets caught. Are you wearing proper riding pants?
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there is almost nothing worse than riding in a saddle that does NOT fit you, not even close. It's utterly frustrating, because no matter how hard you try, it won't ever work right. And, if you manage to adapt to this ill-fitting saddle, you are in effect teaching yourself how to ride WRONG.


Either the saddle truly doesn't fit you, or you are doing something truly wrong to 'catch' on the saddle. Have you ever ridden in a saddle that is a natural fit for you? OH, what a joy it is!!!
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Oh dear, I a man going to upset the apple cart here.

Size of a saddle or even the type of saddle should not make a rider bounce to the back of the seat.

They bounce back because they are lacking in an independence seat.

Yes a saddle that fits you will help keep your butt in the right place but it isn't goi got many you're seat strong.

Anyone can sit on a saddle that has deep knee and thigh rolls, and a high pommel and cantle and look good but take that away and you have a loose rider bobbing along on top of the horse.

From the explanation given I think the rider is slipping so far back that their thighs are behind the saddle flap. So, what to do about it?

First off, your horse shouldn't need to trot faster and fall into a canter, secondly, reins in one hand and iwith a finger of your free hand pull the pommel of the saddle off the horse's back. This will get you sitting deep.
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I was about to say the same thing as foxhunter. Though a properly sized saddle will benefit you, if you are well balanced, have a good seat and position the way you ride your horse should not be changing drastically.
If you have access to someone else, work on the lunge line will benefit you. It will allow you to start building your seat and focus on just that while someone else takes care of the gates and direction of travel for you.
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Oh dear, I a man going to upset the apple cart here.

Size of a saddle or even the type of saddle should not make a rider bounce to the back of the seat.

They bounce back because they are lacking in an independence seat.

Yes a saddle that fits you will help keep your butt in the right place but it isn't goi got many you're seat strong.

Anyone can sit on a saddle that has deep knee and thigh rolls, and a high pommel and cantle and look good but take that away and you have a loose rider bobbing along on top of the horse.

From the explanation given I think the rider is slipping so far back that their thighs are behind the saddle flap. So, what to do about it?

First off, your horse shouldn't need to trot faster and fall into a canter, secondly, reins in one hand and iwith a finger of your free hand pull the pommel of the saddle off the horse's back. This will get you sitting deep.
shes got bad hocks (nothing that bothers her too much but it makes collecting and transitions hard on her so me and my instructor agree to let her have a bit of a run up into canter (getting better as it gets warmer though so its not as much of an issue)) though i think this may also be due to me keeping her at a very slow trot while im practicing more than an issue of her being particularly speedy...
i do that with my saddle any way, but my general strategy is to take her to a field, and pray she doesnt gallop XD
shes good and slows down if i loose balance though, but i definatly agree i have a 'loose' seat, ive been told this before and im really working on it, hence the stirrupless...
not really sure what else to do about it though....

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there is almost nothing worse than riding in a saddle that does NOT fit you, not even close. It's utterly frustrating, because no matter how hard you try, it won't ever work right. And, if you manage to adapt to this ill-fitting saddle, you are in effect teaching yourself how to ride WRONG.


Either the saddle truly doesn't fit you, or you are doing something truly wrong to 'catch' on the saddle. Have you ever ridden in a saddle that is a natural fit for you? OH, what a joy it is!!!
oh i know! i miss it, i dont think im doing anything that wrong, i have a tendancy to tip forward so i thought it might be that, but even if im super strict with my self and riding like a wierdo (leaning back, legs forward) i still slide back and the same thing happens.

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It sounds like you need a saddle that fits you properly. I can't quite picture what you mean when you say your thigh gets caught. Are you wearing proper riding pants?
defo need a better saddle, i have at least 4 inches of space i dont need in this one, and its permanantly wonky so no question about that xD
ive got proper riding pants too
when i say my leg gets caught i mean that i end up pushed back into the saddle, then my leg gets caught behind the stirrup leathers (their further back than other saddles have them too due to how big this saddle is) or if i take them off they still manage to get stuck in the same area.

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I was about to say the same thing as foxhunter. Though a properly sized saddle will benefit you, if you are well balanced, have a good seat and position the way you ride your horse should not be changing drastically.
If you have access to someone else, work on the lunge line will benefit you. It will allow you to start building your seat and focus on just that while someone else takes care of the gates and direction of travel for you.
i have regular lessons and i dont get too much crit on my possition, i cant lunge my horse though, shes got bad hocks and it makes tight circles difficult (our arenas small too) but ive had a few lessons in the school with out stirrups and it still happens even when i think my position is as it should be...



thanks for the help, hoping to get a new saddle soon so hopefully that will stop me getting caught, but in the mean time will be working on my seat...

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You're pretty brave to want to do stirrupless hacking with a seat like yours heh. I've sat in big saddles (like really too big) and not had the issues you're experiencing. The only time I've seen it is with my friend - going into canter she'd begin to curl foetal style but as she tipped forward her legs would go back behind her hip-line with her heels UP. When she would inevitably fail to canter she would sit up and struggle to bring her leg forward again for the reason you mentioned although she never ended up behind the saddle flaps. For her it was an anxiety thing but as I've come to learn through this forum and my own - you really gotta get strong everywhere. Not just legs or bum. But also your core and back and arms.. everything. It's not even about being overweight or unhealthy/unfit - you just have to be strong enough to work what you got to stay balanced. I would check to see if you're able to keep your heels down or just level with your stirrup normally riding. If you tip-toe on the ball of your foot I think that'd be a good habit to break out of to begin with. Just my own experience ofc I love reading respsones from the pros here ;) Good luck!
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You're pretty brave to want to do stirrupless hacking with a seat like yours heh. I've sat in big saddles (like really too big) and not had the issues you're experiencing. The only time I've seen it is with my friend - going into canter she'd begin to curl foetal style but as she tipped forward her legs would go back behind her hip-line with her heels UP. When she would inevitably fail to canter she would sit up and struggle to bring her leg forward again for the reason you mentioned although she never ended up behind the saddle flaps. For her it was an anxiety thing but as I've come to learn through this forum and my own - you really gotta get strong everywhere. Not just legs or bum. But also your core and back and arms.. everything. It's not even about being overweight or unhealthy/unfit - you just have to be strong enough to work what you got to stay balanced. I would check to see if you're able to keep your heels down or just level with your stirrup normally riding. If you tip-toe on the ball of your foot I think that'd be a good habit to break out of to begin with. Just my own experience ofc I love reading respsones from the pros here ;) Good luck!

I'm almost certain its that too, I used to be really anxious and if I lost my balance (often!!) or the horse sped up I would start to curl up and practically roll off them...

my seats gotten a lot better since posting this- its really made me reevaluate my riding, I tend to ride with my heels in, feet out (turned sideways) and for somereason keeping my toes pointed more forward is really helping, although I'm still catching I've found that by compleatly removing my stirrups it helps a lot as the panels stick out less.

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