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post #41 of 91 Old 02-19-2012, 04:30 AM
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Down here people don't run miles from them usually - most of our eventers are ottbs, show horses are ottb's and a lot of showjumpers. Many low level dressage horses, and a couple up at FEI are ottbs. They are quite a popular choice of horse - BUT they are popular when they are free - $500 straight off the track... or when they have had a reputable professional work them, compete them and 'prove' them. In that case said horse is usually stunning to look at, 100% sound with a full run up of xrays to back it up, has either fabulous paces that could pass off as a warmblood, with an ability to collection, or a fantastic jumping ability.
The average and 'yeah he's alright' ones, taken off the track and 'trained' by an amateur and sold for $4000 or up, with only a few months off the track..... they're the ones that you see advertised every 2 weeks, price gradually being reduced, for up to 12 months or more.

Really?? They are a dime a dozen over here. I know a girl who took in a freebie (sound in every way just slow) schooled him for a year,hunter trialed, show jumped and hunted. She put him up for 1k and could only get 750. On horse wanted ads people tend to post "no ottbs" and "no tbs" as there is this misconception that they are all stone mad. Amazingly, a jumps OTTB can be so well broke in and quiet - they dont tend to start jumps til about 4, do roadwork, are trailered to every p2p and race meeting, are used to traffic, crowds, dogs, ect. They can be only short of bombproof and don't possess the "go fast quick" mentality because they tend to race over 2 - 4miles.


Well go for it then! Post pics up for us to see the progress as well :)

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Maple.... how does my post differ from them being a dime a dozen? I repeat, they're popular if you get them cheap OR an ambitious rider will pay a little more for one trained and campaigned by a professional. Hence - the average person trying to 'turn over' is going to be running at a loss

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Maple.... how does my post differ from them being a dime a dozen? I repeat, they're popular if you get them cheap OR an ambitious rider will pay a little more for one trained and campaigned by a professional. Hence - the average person trying to 'turn over' is going to be running at a loss
My point was that over here even horses who are reschooled and compete successfully will still have trouble selling, and I was suprised that they are common with the eventers. The only people over here who want them are those involved in racing, to go flapping or play with at home, ect or those who are going to ride but not school the horse. We have a "type of rider" here.. who ride in tracksuits,runners no helmet or saddle and they "jockey" the horse. Usually these are teen boys from rough parts of dublin who dont give too much thought to the welfare of the animal. Even a well schooled ottb will not sell for much, if anything at all.


As far as I'm aware our eventers tend to go for ISH style horses. Hopefully with the recent advertising for race horse to riding horses classes, fronted by a very popular ottb Moscow Flyer, this will change.

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Ok, yes our eventers tend to snap them up. For years our Aussie eventing team was made up purely of ottbs - and check out how often we were in the medals ;)

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Yes thank you (: I work at a racing stable, and he doesn't sell them until they have had a month break, so I was thinking of getting them, there cheap and healthy! But I really want to save the ones in need, so I'll make sure they have a break if they are straight OTTS (:

and MyBoyPuck - that's great thank you (:
Im still battling to understand the basic facts. First you said they are rested a month before being sold, then you changed that to 3 months. I dont know any trainer who would keep a horse that is not running and is not earning him a dime and eating minimum 4kgs of hard feed a day plus hay and using up a box that could be used for a horse that IS earning money for a month nevermind 3 months. Most OTTBs are available for purchase while still racing. One that I went to look at in January was running the next day if he was not sold before then. Im not all warm and fuzzy about the racing world but I do know it is their business and it would be like paying for a car in your fleet that doesnt start...it's a waste of money. Perhaps our big training centres are different to yours, but at our yards there are not huge big green luscious paddocks for racers to be turned out in all day to let down. They live in a stable 99% of their lives unless they are training and get a walk/trot in the evenings. grazing is limited.

In terms of what Kayty said, my instructors 2 top eventers are both OTTBs, but ones she got green and trained herself. Her gelding is 22 years old and still cleans out at his competitions and her mare who is now eventing and competing at 1.10m she picked up for free and has schooled herself.

However she received a new horse yesterday, also OTTB that is now 16 years old (doesnt look a day over 7) and doing elementary dressage as well as jumping 1.30m and eventing...he was given to her for free why??? because even with his skills as a competition horse they could not sell him. They battled to even give him away. And he is a stunner.

The gamble is yours. It is not something I would even attempt to do but maybe I'm just not a gambler when the risks seem stacked against me.
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Thank you everyone for your input!

MysticL - With the spell/break... at the stables I work at there are 2 warmbloods, 3 horses that aren't his and 2 old paints. as well as the racehorses, about 30 ... 15 in racing mode. there are heaps of paddock full of grass, only 4 TBs are in the stable, the other racing TB's are in paddocks, The owner/my boss, won't sell the horse untill it has a month break, but he will not care if i have it there for 3-5 months.

I understand that people who can train horses, will train their own horses, just like me, I have never and will never buy a trained horse , unless given to me like your trainer. I know heaps of teenages looking for TB's to do prelim (90cm) Eventing and showjumping.




Thanks everyone! will keep you posted (:
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well that's good to know. Our racing yards are just that...yards. The horses get brought out their boxes in the afternoon to "graze" around the edges. Look, some people have the fortune of having their own studs / training centres, different story. Whoever you work for must be a different kind of trainer so that's a good thing.

I have an OTTB, in the month that I have owned him he has let down quite a bit. He isn't looking like a bag of bones but he will only fill out in the next 5 months or so when his training starts more. Right now he only hacks and does light arena work and is learning what the world really looks like. It takes them a long time to adjust. I was lucky, mine is cool calm and collected. I met a woman who has one that's off the track 6 months and she brought him to our cross country training show yesterday. He totally blew his mind, managed to escape and nearly ran into a parked car and she had to work him for a good hour before attempting the course and even then he bucked and went mad the whole way. He jumps well but she is a prime example of how bringing that particular horse on too quickly has not helped him one bit.

I think you are going to have to asses each horse individually, no 2 are going to give you the same reaction. If you go ahead good luck. And do let us know if it turns out to be profitable. Sorry if I have been raining on your parade! Not intentional! But if it turns out to be a money making loss, don't dig yourself into a pit!
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My two cents after purchasing my first OTTB from a hunter trainer that had him six months - focus on feet, feet, feet! My boy's hooves were still in racing position after I bought him (long toes, low heels) and finding farriers that knew how to slowly bring his feet into proper riding position AND understanding the size of his hooves has taken time. We have lost 3 months of training time due to a farrier that put too small of shoes on my guy (sore feet led to abscess led to tendon injury).

I would have your farrier take a look at any prospects along with your vet to be safe. And it's a myth that all TBs have thin walls & soles for all you nonTB people. My new fab farrier says my OTTB has great walls and size of hooves.

You sound like you have good experience with TBs. If you find a trackie with a good mind & good feet/legs, I say go for it, one or two horses at a time to start. Best wishes!
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Good point Juxtapoze, my farrier is also working on getting the shape of my OTTBs feet right. his toes were also long and low back heels. Im lucky to have a very knowledgeable farrier who works primarily with racehorses and who I have known a long time who is willing to do my horse individually. A lot of farriers are only willing to do yards where there are a few horses or else it is not always worth their time and money to come and do just one
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