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post #41 of 75 Old 02-13-2011, 12:09 AM Thread Starter
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My intention wasn't to confuse anyone, and I am sorry for that. To be thought provoking though is good!

It has been really insightful to see how everyone has been taught and what names they have been told, as well as the variations on the seats.



If one is truely letting the horse close their angles, and remaining in their two point position, I can definitley see it being called one and the same.

But like Alex said...what about the GP riders? Are they changing position, or are they still closing the angles?

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I think it is interesting for the same reasons you do. We have all been taught differently and have slightly different opinions.
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It is definitely thought-provoking, I love it! It makes me question what I have learned (and assumed!).

I wonder if there is really a "correct" and universal term. Maybe it is all just subjective.

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I never knew jumping was so complicated Sheesh.... guess I know what to expect now when I try to learn it...
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i was taught full seat, half seat, and 2 point. 2 point is the position over a fence. No matter the size of the fence. the only thing that really changes is your hip angle and your release. But that's just how i was taught!
Couple pics of the big triple bar and then the little vertical. note that both 2 point/jumping positions are pretty much the same.
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Great pics Oxer, you have lovely form.

JerBear, it gets over complicated when you over think it (I specialize in this in every aspect of my life) if you just go with the horse it is not all that complicated.
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My intention wasn't to confuse anyone, and I am sorry for that. To be thought provoking though is good!

It has been really insightful to see how everyone has been taught and what names they have been told, as well as the variations on the seats.

If one is truely letting the horse close their angles, and remaining in their two point position, I can definitley see it being called one and the same.

But like Alex said...what about the GP riders? Are they changing position, or are they still closing the angles?
Velvet, you are not confusing anyone :) I am just being silly. I love threads like this because they are, just as stated - thought provoking

GP Riders - are doing 5'0" + fences, on powerful horses with huge, powerful jumps. I think it is a combination of both. Those fences are massive!

Now, with us riders doing low level stuff - we need to learn to just stay put, and allow our horses to come up to us. It is so much easier said than done, I know - but when you get it, it feels great!

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Oxer: That is what I was/am being taught. Those are big jumps! You do have a great position :)

I agree with AlexS, if you don't over think things it is quite simple, but what is the fun in that?!

Allowing the horse to do all the work is hard! You have to sort of concentrate on relaxing, when that's pretty much a paradox.

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Velvet, you are not confusing anyone :) I am just being silly. I love threads like this because they are, just as stated - thought provoking
Yes! I love this. I asked my trainer today about approaching jumps, and what she thought about the various positions. Locally, it seems a LOT of hunters will ride the canter in a full seat (3 point?), then go into 2-point right before the jump. Whereas in the area where she learned, it was ride in a half seat up until the jump, then slightly rise up into 2-point.

I keep going back to the photos MIE posted, and I think what's throwing me off is that 'full seat' looks like the rider is squarely on his bum. Even when I'm just walking the horse, I'm a little more forward in my seat*, and riding a little more on my crotch, which seems to be more like the second photo. But more upright through my back and shoulders. Then the other two photos make perfect sense.

The first photo almost makes it look like he's in a dressage position, as he's pretty deep in his seat.

* I'd also like to add that I was taught forward-seat equitation, so maybe that's the reason?
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See...I ride hunters, but I do not ride in a 3-point, except when I am collecting. I would say I ride in more of a half seat or 2 point.

*runs off to find a photo of riding at a canter...even if its a crappy pic*

OK, this picture is from 2 summers ago (?) and you can clearly see that my butt is out of the saddle. I felt that my stirrups were too short, but thats something else...

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This is a picture from last fall. (I am on the horse in the back, and yes we tippy toe!). Again, out of the saddle, although Bart was on the 'up' part of his canter stride.

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