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post #1 of 24 Old 08-08-2020, 03:51 PM Thread Starter
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USEF Sidesaddle gear requirements

I was reading an article about riding sidesaddle, and this article made some claims about what gear the USEF requires sidesaddle hunter riders to have. I thought it was a joke, but apparently not. I bolded the ones that really got me. The best one is the last one. I would not have thought that would be the number one rule for tack and equipment.

https://www.usef.org/forms-pubs/kW5W...unter-division

HU148 Ladies Side Saddle Attire

1. Hat: See GR801.2
2. Neckwear: Plain white hunting stock neatly tied and fastened with a plain gold safety pin. Latter should be horizontal.
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6. Vest: Of plain white, buff or yellow material, unless bona fide member of a recognized hunt has been invited to wear the hunt’s livery in which case, the vest should conform to the livery of the hunt and be worn only with habits of the hunt livery color.
7. Buttons: Must conform to hunt livery. Usual specifications are: Brass or bone on vest. Black bone on black or dark blue coat. If bona fide member of a recognized hunt has been invited to wear the hunt button, it should be engraved with the hunt emblem, otherwise it should be plain.
8. Boots: Black, without tops: of plain black calf without tabs. Boot garters, if worn, plain black. Zippers and laces are not permitted.
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10. Whip: Light hunting whip with thong required.
12. Rain Gloves: White or light colored rain gloves. Should be carried on off (right) side under billets and just showing in front of saddle flap.—Fingers forward, thumbs in.
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15. Boutonniere not permitted.

HU149 Ladies Side Saddle Tack and Equipment
1. Sandwich Case: Required for appointments. Must be combined sandwich case and flask. Sandwich case must contain a plain white-meat sandwich, crusts removed, cut on the diagonal, wrapped in wax paper; a linen handkerchief or napkin is optional and flask must contain sherry or tea.
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It's all about over all look and old hunting tradition to keep it in keeping with what were the requirements of that era in time.

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Sure... but what about vegetarians? Can we sneak fake meat into the sandwich without losing points? And would herbal tea meet the requirements? What about non-alcoholic sherry?
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Interesting that they say nothing about head gear. Top hat - with a veil or a bowler.

As said, it is all to do with Hunting traditions.

Many moons ago I went to a Meet with the Quorne Hunt. (One of the elite hunts in the U.K.) There was a woman riding sidesaddle. She was mounted on a beautiful big bay horse. The woman was a good looking as he horse and both were immaculately turned out. Couldn't fault them.

I really thought she would change tomastride but she didn't. She was up front nearly all the way taking every fence as it came. He they stopped for lunch and to change horses, she had a couple of specks of mud on her apron (skirt) quickly removed before she mounted another beautiful horse and off they went.

Made me sick! I could be up front out Hunting and still lookmasmif I'd been pulled through a ploughed field!
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Sure... but what about vegetarians? Can we sneak fake meat into the sandwich without losing points? And would herbal tea meet the requirements? What about non-alcoholic sherry?

It is rather specific; I'd a chuckle at cutting off the crusts.

I carried emergency chocolate when i rode sidesaddle then again i wasn't in the ring.

I'd like to think they'd make an exception for vegans/vegetarians as they'd need to handle it or even the thought of carrying the meat would go against their beliefs. I image you could get away with herbal tea though.

My aunt bought me a fancy gold pin with a horse's head in the centre but i had to stick with the plain pin. I wear the one she gave me as a brooch on a winter jacket.
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Sure... but what about vegetarians? Can we sneak fake meat into the sandwich without losing points? And would herbal tea meet the requirements? What about non-alcoholic sherry?

Ummm...the rules are written eons ago.
Vegetarians were not well-known and if a show ring judge did a inspection there was no leeway given.
Sandwich was a sandwich and if specified it was ham then it better be ham, period.
Drink was often specified and a nose to bottle top was done if not a actual taste done.
Show ring requirements were strict and so was the competition in this class as well as classes like field hunters.
I don't mean this to be offensive, but stepping on someones toes was not regarded nor offending......you did what was written and you as the competitor dealt with it or were excused if you did not meet the required appointments stated.
If you were told to carry a 18" whip and yours was 16" you were excused, period.
I can tell you that when the National Horse Show was held in Madison Square Garden in Manhattan I saw a judge open the sandwich case and look at the sandwich. He told the rider to take a bite of a obviously spoiled moldy sandwich...
The rider took a deep breath, took a bite and swallowed with a straight face...
Because they did that not question, no argument or excuse made, they won the class as it was that tough a class when the judge did the same to the next rider, he found no sandwich in the case and competitor was not put down a spot but disqualified...
BTW...that rider who took the bite left the ring and promptly threw up but still came out with a beautiful blue ribbon and gorgeous trophy so for them worth the puking.
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@horselovinguy wow, thank you for fleshing in that rule and for the story. I guess things like which direction the gold pin has to face (would you lose points if it was slightly off horizontal? Would they get a level out to check) makes sense in the larger context of trying to preserve a certain image, but the idea that they would require a sandwich, let alone a sandwich of certain specifications, I can't get my head around. No one can SEE it. No one can SMELL it. No one would even know it was there, so who cares?

ETA: Also, changing the subject a bit, I don't mind putting my ignorance out there. If your boots cannot have zippers or laces, how do they go on? I would have thought laced shoes would be proper old-fashioned riding attire.

Another ETA: I can just imagine the headline: "Scandal rocks show jumping world as champion side-saddle jumper found to have roast beef in sandwich."
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Nope. Most boots were pull on. I still have my first pair. I had to add a zipper later and my last pair have both as my ankles are not bending to those degrees any more.

Ladies of the hunt should really have been called Lioness of the Hunt. Theses were extremely brave, confident women with skill that many men astride didn't have. I've always had the theory men made side saddles to hold women back except it didn't work out.

Hunters carried their meal with them as you never knew where the fox would take you or how long the hunt would last.

So you are preserving an image and tradition as these classes aren't taking you over a hunt course though they will have a couple of small straightforward jumps.

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All of my boots were pull on and struggle off. My mum took a photo of my dad trying to pull them off after a lesson as she said that watching us was hilarious. I must've been around twelve at the time.

Sidesaddle boots can be shorter or different lengths - the off-side leg shorter than the normal near-side boot. I rode in jodhper boots or my pull-on riding boots with garter straps at the top. They weren't very comfortable though, given the bend in my knees. I was riding exercise or schooling most of the time and didn't need to meet turnout guidelines. I did wear an apron as I felt naked with my legs uncovered.

I was always told that it's harder for horses to dislodge you from a sidesaddle. A relative used to ride that way when she could but she also chose to ride her difficult horse - a Cleveland Bay ride/drive - sidesaddle as she could anchor herself when the mare had a tantrum.

My brain nagging me that something wasn't right, given that both legs were on the same side of the horse was my main problem lol.
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My field boots are pull on.
No zipper or elastic gullet in them.
I do have laces at the ankle to tighten to make the boot fit my ankle better.
Dress boots have no laces and not supposed to have zipper calves either technically...they too pull on.
You learn how to wiggle in and pull off by yourself if resourceful or use another's butt as the push point and their arms as the yank-off if you forgot your boot jack....

Paddock boots if not lace-ups or zipper had thick elastic inserts on the boot sides that held you tightly held tightly.
Think more the look and definition of jodphur boots..

I had a pair as a adult...comfortable beyond belief. What can bind on lace-ups is not there...
I wore them to death and after resoling them 3x my cobbler told me he had no more leather strip left to stitch to...they was done for.

Only other boot that came close to that comfort was a pair of zip-up the front paddock boots think advertised for the "pro-rider" ???
Heavy duty zipper so strong I had to use a hoofpick to pull the zipper up or down the first month I had them even after candle-waxing the zipper for slip-ease.




Again, I wore them in the barns working doing barn chores till I killed them too...
Only reason why I even had those was my friends owned a tack shop and these were demos that did not sell so they gave them to me for peanuts compared to what they were worth...manufacturer salesman did not want them back so they became mine for think $20...no way was I walking away from that deal.
I don't buy unless comfortable cause I did not have time for blisters or hurting feet...all my clothing is like that. Comfortable when put on or not purchasing, period.
Today I don't buy because I'm not spending that kind of money...ridiculous when they wear out just as fast if not faster than Ariats which are 1/2 the cost...yes, I'm frugal aka cheap!

Today like many others I ride, do barn chores and yard-work in my Ariat Terrains that give me ankle stability and foot protection but are friendly to walk around in and safe astride with the heel to not slip through a stirrup easily.
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