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post #131 of 179 Old 07-02-2012, 01:06 PM
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Re: the helmet thing. Sorry guys, but helmets are NOT safety equipment, NOR do they make you any safer when riding. A helmet will not prevent a spook, a fall, or a bad fall into something. A helmet will only work to protect your head if you fall AND if you hit your head. And on that note, in talking to nurses I know that have worked in ER, they see markedly more neck and back injuries in riders than head injuries. So to those of you harping, where are your body protectors and neck braces?? A helmet doesn't even protect your whole head!! And most of them leave the most venerable part of your spine and head exposed, right where the head and neck meet!!!

In order to ride safely, we need to use our heads, not just protect them and hope sh*t never hits the fan. Proper riding attire (boots, breeches, gloves, etc..), riding a horse within your skill level, bombproofing or de spooking work, riding within your limits, learning how to ride AND fall off, etc.. are all going to make you safer when riding. Helmets are just a risk mitigation measure, PPE or Personal Protective Equipment. They will protect you if you fall. For some of us, we feel the risk of falling is not high enough to warrant wearing a helmet, that's our prerogative. In most countries if you run available stats for dressage riders (or those that do flatwork, no trails, no jumping, no speed events, etc..) and head injuries (any thing ranging from a bump on the noggin to full on coma/death) and compare them to driving fatalities, you should find similar results. If I'm willing to drive to/from the barn for an hour a day and have the same chance of DYING in a motor vehicle as I do sustaining anything from a bump on the noggin to death from falling off my horse, I'll take my chances with the horse!

If you want to tell me to ride a helmet, that's awesome, but then expect me to ask you about your fall training, riding training, safety measures taken when riding, de spooking procedures and where your body protector and neck brace are. Based on the amounts of rides I've had on my horse I have a 0.07% chance of falling off while jumping and an even lower chance of falling during flatwork/dressage work, especially considering the increased age, training and de spook work done on the horse and assuming even 50% of falls involve the head, a 0.004% chance of sustaining a head injury while riding my own horse. This compared to a 0.009% traffic fatality rate in my area, and a 0.5% injury collision rate, I'll take my chance with the horse, regardless of if I'm wearing a helmet or not the risk, to me, is too small to matter.

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post #132 of 179 Old 07-02-2012, 01:57 PM
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Re: the helmet thing. Sorry guys, but helmets are NOT safety equipment, NOR do they make you any safer when riding. A helmet will not prevent a spook, a fall, or a bad fall into something. A helmet will only work to protect your head if you fall AND if you hit your head. And on that note, in talking to nurses I know that have worked in ER, they see markedly more neck and back injuries in riders than head injuries. So to those of you harping, where are your body protectors and neck braces?? A helmet doesn't even protect your whole head!! And most of them leave the most venerable part of your spine and head exposed, right where the head and neck meet!!!

In order to ride safely, we need to use our heads, not just protect them and hope sh*t never hits the fan. Proper riding attire (boots, breeches, gloves, etc..), riding a horse within your skill level, bombproofing or de spooking work, riding within your limits, learning how to ride AND fall off, etc.. are all going to make you safer when riding. Helmets are just a risk mitigation measure, PPE or Personal Protective Equipment. They will protect you if you fall. For some of us, we feel the risk of falling is not high enough to warrant wearing a helmet, that's our prerogative. In most countries if you run available stats for dressage riders (or those that do flatwork, no trails, no jumping, no speed events, etc..) and head injuries (any thing ranging from a bump on the noggin to full on coma/death) and compare them to driving fatalities, you should find similar results. If I'm willing to drive to/from the barn for an hour a day and have the same chance of DYING in a motor vehicle as I do sustaining anything from a bump on the noggin to death from falling off my horse, I'll take my chances with the horse!

If you want to tell me to ride a helmet, that's awesome, but then expect me to ask you about your fall training, riding training, safety measures taken when riding, de spooking procedures and where your body protector and neck brace are. Based on the amounts of rides I've had on my horse I have a 0.07% chance of falling off while jumping and an even lower chance of falling during flatwork/dressage work, especially considering the increased age, training and de spook work done on the horse and assuming even 50% of falls involve the head, a 0.004% chance of sustaining a head injury while riding my own horse. This compared to a 0.009% traffic fatality rate in my area, and a 0.5% injury collision rate, I'll take my chance with the horse, regardless of if I'm wearing a helmet or not the risk, to me, is too small to matter.
I think you may be on the wrong thread here as the responses were not to do with wearing helmets as such but the young persons attitude to people who cared enough about her to ask her to wear one. Please dont misunderstand me when I say that as I dont know you it doesn't matter in the slightest to me if you choose to wear a hat or not as if you fall on your head and injure yourself then its not going to have any impact on my life whatsoever. However based on my own experiences it DOES matter to me if one of my close friends or family choose not too because I'd rather not see them end up as I did, however I don't think any the less of them if they don't wear one and they all know that when I say I wish they would wear one it because I care about them and not because I've joined the 'helmet police'.
You're very lucky that you are always able to 'plan your falls' so well that you never injure yourself but not everyone is so fortunate.
I have been driving since I was 17 and never had a single car accident, I have been in one very minor accident where someone else was driving and another vehicle ran into them but no one was hurt. That doesn't mean that based on my own statistics I wont go out in my car tomorrow and be totally safe because I am obviously so good at avoiding accidents that I will never have one, I could just be in the wrong place at the wrong time and be fatally injured. I have had many falls of horses but thats probably because I've been inclined to participate in higher risk horse riding where things can go wrong regardless of how good you or your horse are.
No one here is telling you or anyone else to wear a helmet - thats your choice, what we are saying is please understand the motives behind those people around you that are just being caring instead of rearing up the way you just have.
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post #133 of 179 Old 07-02-2012, 03:16 PM
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Well, I don't know if this would be a 'riding' habit, but I'll chip in.

People who come and take your horse from under you. I know the mare I ride isn't mine, but I've been working with her for over a year, building her confidence and earning her trust, and it's my first time being able to show her. At our last show we pulled champion and reserve in some hunter divisions, the reason being that she trusts me and I know how to ride her, and now everyone wants to ride her, and I feel as though I'm being pulled off of her. People with their own horses are asking to take her to shows. Just irks me a little.
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post #134 of 179 Old 07-02-2012, 04:17 PM
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Freedestiny, unfortunatly that is what you have to put up with when the horse isnt yours.
I've ridden other peoples horses for many years and it is heartbreaking whenthey are sold out fromunder you. However you just have to pick yourself up and et on with the next horse.

anebel having had a helmet save my life twice i will respectfully disagree with you. I also know a lady who died because she wasnt wearing a hat on her aincient old pony and said pony tripped, she fell cracked her skull on a rock and died.
Mum is also a nurse who worked for 30 years in A&E and intensive care units. We currently own a unit for the elderly mentaly ill. she says that since the safety helmet was invented she has seen a massive decrease in the number ofhead injures due to horse riding. we currently have a gentleman in our unit who has ahead injury due to a fall from a horse (no hat) and is now totaly incapable of feelin pain, of knowing right from wrong and has to be watched 24hours a day, he has to wear nappies and have his **** cleaned like a baby because he no longer reconises that it is wrong to wet and soil himself.

Now i'm not going to tell you to wear a hat but I do judge those who don't wear one. i think they are incredibly selfish and have no regard for their loved ones who will have to care for them or cope with their death if something goes wrong (and any horse no matter how old or well schooled a horse can still trip). I find it akin to those who commit suicide. I dont wear a neck brace because your neck needs to be able to flex properly to avoid snapping.
I have been trained to fall correctly and I do wear a body protector but find that it affects my balance and makes me round my shoulders.

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But sustaining the same injury in a car injury is too bad, so sad? Or becoming a parapalegic falling and breaking your neck?

Double standard and undue judgement, I say. My training from industry tells me that proper training and safety procedures are paramount in safety and that I should be able to send guys into the mine and have them never need their PPE because of the training and procedures. I feel its the same in riding, however its a hobby not my job and if I've already mitigated enough risk I won't wear my helmet. Those that judge me will get judgement back from me. I know I could have a wreck and get a head injury, but I also know that I have a better chance of dying driving on the roads to the barn on black ice in the winter and right beside a licenced casino with less than sober clientele. If you're going to harp on people for not wearing helmets you yourself better know your risk in everything. Hay bales have paralyzed lots of people. Farm machinery, slips on ice, hoses in walk ways, walking beside a busy road, alcohol consumption and doing anything, etc... all have associated risks which a lot of people seem not to notice but which may be higher than a fall off a horse. Yet those that harp on non helmet wearers will have a beer on a trail ride, haul their own hay, walk to get their horse in winter without a helmet and run an oat roller without gloves. It annoys me when someone says "wear a helmet" and then does these things. Life is dangerous. Learn to mitigate risk and accept it or live like chicken little, don't walk the line between because then you're a hypocrite.
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post #136 of 179 Old 07-02-2012, 05:07 PM
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anebel, they should never need PPE because of thier training, however amine does not have a mind of its own. Accidents still happen in mines despite all safety precautions you can take, you wear PPE just in case this happens.
Your miners may have all the training to never need thier ppe but i bet you'd neverlet them down the mine without it? so why do you do it when riding

I would judge the person in the car accident the same way if they had not been wearing a seatbelt or if they were speeding or drink driving etc.

I drive the best car i can afford, it has airbags and I wear a seatbelt even if i'm going nowhere near a road. Infact it feels wrong to not wear a seatbelt and is totaly illgeal in the UK. I do this because I value my safety and take every precaution I can to minimise the risk that way should soemthing happen to me i know i've done my level best to minimise my injuries. I care about my family and how they will feel should i be badly injured.

i recognise that riding is a risk sport but you need to minimise the risk as far as possible
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I hate the "yankers" as i call them who i see in 4-h a lot and congress who dont collect their horses they just yank yank yank to get their heads down instead of working them into a long and low position which is looked for. The they wonder why their horses buck and need crazy harsh bits. I think its cruel, lazy, and looks awful.

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riders especially at shows who clearly have no concept of moving with their horses mouth. So instead pile on the gadgets and take them off just before a class yanking and see sawing on the horses mouth if the head comes up.

Or worse those that the horses remain hiding behind the bit and they think that's great!
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I don't really notice faults in other people while riding, mainly because I'm too busy trying to fix my own many errors, lol. The way I see it, we all have to start somewhere.

That being said, I'm pretty hard on myself when it comes to errors. My biggest thing right now is that my toes have started pointing out (first time in over two years of riding, grr...).


One thing that does bug me is when people refuse to listen to anyone's advice. On the flip side, people who feel the need to nitpick your riding without knowing you or your horse frustrate me, too. Helpful advice is one thing, but I have an instructor to nitpick me, thank you.

There was one girl at my barn who would sit there on her horse and watch me ride (whenever my instructor wasn't around, of course). She would comment on every little thing, always telling me I was doing it wrong, never telling me how to fix it.
Best thing? She refused to take advice from anyone else, and got extremely mad whenever anyone offered a helpful critique of her own riding.

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Now i'm not going to tell you to wear a hat but I do judge those who don't wear one. i think they are incredibly selfish and have no regard for their loved ones who will have to care for them or cope with their death if something goes wrong (and any horse no matter how old or well schooled a horse can still trip). I find it akin to those who commit suicide. I dont wear a neck brace because your neck needs to be able to flex properly to avoid snapping.
I agree with you about the helmet thing, but please do not bring suicide into the matter. It is an entirely different thing completely and you are not one to judge if you've never been on the other end of it.
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