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post #1 of 10 Old 09-15-2019, 04:34 AM Thread Starter
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Would you show a pigeon toed horse?

Hi everyone,

Little bit of a dilemma that basically boils down to: would you show a pigeon toed horse? Showing as in flat showing (not sure what it's called over in the UK and US), where you go around a ring and get judged based on conformation, paces, and presentation.

My gelding is show quality and moves extremely well apart from the fact he is pigeon toed and therefore wings noticeably. In the upcoming show there is a newly introduced "pleasure horse" ring for horses "not show quality"... I'm unsure whether to enter him in this, or just leave him in hack. He has done well in the past in open rings, but I feel like because of his conformation and action people may be looking down on me for showing him.

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post #2 of 10 Old 09-15-2019, 01:02 PM
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There is always going to be people who will look down on someone else for something.

If he is doing well in other classes it might be thought that you are just collecting ribbons wherever possible but if he has limiting conformation faults would he qualify as not show quality? Don't know. I guess this is something you have to judge for yourself. I assume this not-show-quality class is set up for entries that would not have a chance in other competition?

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I most surely would. If you enjoy showing this horse and he goes well for you, really, isn't that all that matters to you? if you stop doing things because people might look down upon you for it, because they don't think you're good enough, or your horse is good enough, or you look good enough, or you dress good enough, you will never do anything. You will sit at home out of the sight of people who judge, besides the judge, however they are trained to judge with a different set of standards than the judgemental people, lol.
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post #4 of 10 Old 09-16-2019, 11:17 AM
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NZ has the same showing classes as the UK and Australia.
You don’t say specifically which classes you are interested in but although you can enter the ones based on performance and conformation you won’t get placed in them if the horse is pigeon toed, unless the class is really small or the other horses have worse conformation faults and perform horribly.

You can enter for fun, nothing wrong with that.

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Can you give more information on a show class for not show quality horses? I've never heard of such a thing. Do they list the requirements to enter?

Overall, if the judges are pinning him, sounds like he's doing just fine in the classes you're entering him in. Like so many things in life, you probably notice way more than anyone else notices.

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Can you give more information on a show class for not show quality horses? I've never heard of such a thing. Do they list the requirements to enter?

Overall, if the judges are pinning him, sounds like he's doing just fine in the classes you're entering him in. Like so many things in life, you probably notice way more than anyone else notices.
Hey ptvintage. Horses described as not show quality are horses without correct conformation and would not do well in normal showing. This also includes horses not schooled for dressage etc and horses in western attire as we don't really have western showing in NZ.
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I don't know if I would. If you are showing him already and he is placing then wouldn't it be detrimental to put him in a class for non show quality? It seems to me that you would be announcing to the section of the world there that this horse is not show quality which he is because he's been placing in the show quality classes. Next time he is in another class, would they not be looking at him with more scrutiny? Maybe I am not understanding how things work.

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‘Not show quality’ in terms of UK, NZ and Australian English ridden classes means that the horse doesn’t have defect free conformation and correct movement.
They also have to be the right type for the class you enter in - for example, you wouldn’t show an Arabian in a hunter class or a perfect cob in a show hack class
In smaller local shows you can get away with more but at higher level a horse with pin toes would be right down the line because it’s a conformation defect.
There are some classes that are judged purely on performance of the horse or the rider. It wouldn’t hurt to enter in theses classes and wouldn’t be detrimental.
It wouldn’t be announcing that the horse has a defect, it would be an very odd judge that wasn’t already noticing that in the other classes.
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Ok, I guess I misunderstood. I thought the OP stated that he already shows in classes where he is also being judged based on confirmation and has done well in them.

I wouldn't refrain from showing based on what other spectators and competition thought though. I would only care what the judges thought.

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Ok, I guess I misunderstood. I thought the OP stated that he already shows in classes where he is also being judged based on confirmation and has done well in them.

I wouldn't refrain from showing based on what other spectators and competition thought though. I would only care what the judges thought.
She does say that so you aren’t misunderstanding
I can only assume that the classes are at a more local level and the horse gets better points in the performance side of the showing compared to the others in the class. Or maybe the others also have conformation defects..
There’s no reason why she can’t enter in both classes unless they’re being run at the same time.
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