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post #11 of 20 Old 07-14-2016, 01:22 AM
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Does your bran mash mix contain a vitamin/mineral supplement for horses?

http://veterinaryextension.colostate...ight-engle.pdf
Goats are pretty hard to overdose on copper. I'm sure it's possible, but they aren't like sheep - any supplemental copper is too much copper for sheep and can kill them...goats, not so much.

My guess is that it was barberpole worms as well.
My [then 6 month old] wether almost died from them, and lungworms, right after bringing him home [goats, especially young goats, should be dewormed immediately after experiencing major stress, like moving, and I didn't know].
It was really only luck that he survived!! I noticed that he was getting "bottlejaw" [possibly the swelling you saw?] and that he was a little lethargic. The next day he was down and couldn't/wouldn't get up. LUCKILY my goat-mentor-friend had let me know that, with those symptoms and how I hadn't dewormed when the goats came home, I needed to deworm asap.

I used Valbazen, plus doses of horse-RedCell every 2 hours, and he came around within 24 hours.
He still coughs after exerting himself, due to what the lungworms did to his lungs, but overall he's fine - 4 years later.

Mostly, once you start seeing symptoms like bottlejaw, the goat is already nearly dead [bottlejaw is caused by SEVERE anemia].


I'm sorry for your loss! Goats, especially young goats, are very tricky at first. Don't blame yourself, goats are not easy. *hugs*

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Yeah :( she had bottle jaw. I honestly didn't notice her acting any differently until she all of a sudden had the bottle jaw. They're both younger goats, she brought them over for me to play with s few months then I'm giving them back. It's a learning experience for sure but now I know to look for more signs at least :(

Hmm my mash is pretty simple stuff only one ingredient in it has a little cooper and I don't do a full serving size of the flaxseed since it's a supplement. The goats also only ate maybe 10 bites? So I feel like it couldn't of causes it but I'm sure it's always possible :(
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Read that article and no I don't think it was copper poisoning. It happened too fast. It was like literally 30 seconds after she had a few bites of mash. Looks like cooper poisoning more so happens over time?
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Goats have a much higher need for copper than sheep (you can kill sheep with mineral salt made for goats). It was not the copper. Far more likely that the goats were already highly stressed -- barber pole is a good guess -- and the dewormer knocked them over the edge.

What is sad is that the breeder didn't even want to know why the goat died. That IS bad herd management. How will she avoid this in the future if she doesn't care why her goats die?

Do you know how to diagnose barber pole worms? My area doesn't have them so I never learned, but google FAMACHA.

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I'm not entirely sure honestly. Just with her anemia, being lethargic and the bottle jaw it seems like that was the culprit. Part of me wonders if she KNOWS that has to be what it was but doesn't want to make me feel worse for not catching it sooner to be able to save her by not getting answer from vet? She knows how bad I feel and I think it's trying to not make me feel worse. They're her baby goats, I was just keeping them a few months :( Last night when I found her I couldn't even get ahold of my friend for like two hours (why I started thread because I was freaking out!), but after we talked and did more research it's all kind of making sense.

Goat B is doing very well this morning though. We still need to deworm her two more days :( going to try again tonight but ONLY the dewormer. We don't know what caused her to go in the shock she did so want to introduce things one at a time. Hopefully it's not the dewormer that caused her episode yesterday. Just gave her too many new things at once time to know what caused it.
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Barber pole worms can be impossible to get rid of and it's not just an "oh I'll just worm them". Learn how to do FAMACHA (your friend too) Eye to eye: diagnosing internal parasites and check them regularly. I check my sheep all the time and only worm as needed a few times a year, first thing I check if one seems off or isn't keeping weight. If I have one that looks iffy after worming I'll get a fecal and follow the vet's instructions.

Parasite resistance is a HUGE problem, way moreso than horses or indoor animals though it's still a problem there. I was talking to a small animal vet and she asked about it being such a problem and I told her my sheep vets instructions were "only do the one's that really need it then do them at 10% higher dose and repeat in 2 weeks" she was shocked.

I haven't had goats in ages, but remember our old doe kidded (first and only time) and became emaciated and anemic, I believe it was just the normal stronglyes, many vets and lots of worming later we were on the verge of putting her down and hand raising the lambs... Someone (old timer/other vet?) suggested chewing tobacco and as a last resort we tried it... totally worked. She lived a long and happy life and never had any issues with worms again. Something to keep in mind!

I would talk to the vet before deworming goat B, it can definitely make things worse.
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And.. I meant to add, sorry you had to deal with that :( It's a shame, but things do happen unfortunately. Not your fault, at all.

Also, what was the dosage of the wormer?
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Friend came over tonight and she taught me how to check the eyelids :) Going to do it weekly! I also know how to do fecal exams, I do my own horses FEC's...she said I can do it for the goats too lol! So I'll have to find a chart that shows what the eggs look like that I should be looking for. My husband has a bio and chem degree...and now has to check my horses poop because of it.

I think when she first started becoming a little lethargic I just figured it was because of the heat and humidity...because the other healthy goat was also being lazy. All the animals were staying inside and being lazy, its been miserable out. So I must of missed a few earlier warning signs, but now I know what to look for and will be actively checking.
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That's great, you're really lucky!

I'll say again though, don't hesitate to get the vet involved, both due to the trouble getting rid of the parasites and also due to the risks with the wormers and resistance. I can't stress enough how big of a problem this can be.
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