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post #1 of 23 Old 05-15-2019, 12:25 PM Thread Starter
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Fence suggestions

As I hinted at in my post about boundary disputes, I need to build a fence. The fenceline does not seem to sit on the property line, and I donít like that at all. Not to mention that the fence is falling down in places.

In general, I like the idea of building a nice big solid fence (wood, vinyl, metal piping) but this one needs to be about 1/4 mile long, money IS an issue, AND itís going to be going through a pretty gnarly forest. When I say gnarly, I hiked through that forested land, and I have never seen a forest that combined trees so close together, so many downed limbs (I mean over a foot tall of felled dead limbs in many places), bracken, brambles, and other undergrowth. It is all but impassible. So I am thinking the fence could just be a simple barbed wire fence, as I canít imagine any of the horses wanting to go in there anyway. The fence would be a combination of mental security (knowing that the property line is clear!) and last-ditch barrier for the horses.

Do you guys think a barbed wire fence would be good enough? If it makes any difference, there are bears in that forest, but itís not like any fence is going to stop them if they want to go through. My only concern is they might go through and knock it down. But I havenít seen any evidence that the bears have been on ďmyĒ property.
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Barb wire for a perimeter fence is perfect...
Marks your land as yours...

Where you have large amounts of piled broken old brush be very careful as that is where you find wildlife living, hidden right in front of you.
Snakes, bear, coyote, fox, cats....add in raccoon, skunk...wood piles are a great place to hide.
I would be looking into ridding my land of some of that burden to reduce fire risk...
You might be able to burn it out with help from the state forestry department too...much easier and cheaper than logging the broken stuff...
Sounds though you might really benefit from having a logging company come in, mark, thin and log that land to keep standing trees healthier.

When you get to the point of putting the horses on the land, then cross-fenced I would be doing something else...and making a second fence-line inside that barb wire...
Yes, perimeter fence is a godsend when a fence comes down from a branch wiping it out yet your horses are still home contained...
Good place to start is perimeter then go as money allows, resources allow and time allows to do the next step.
As for bears...they can go over, through or under and probably do without your knowledge.
No scat seen I am thinking..
Bears & wildlife don't know boundary/property lines so if you know they are in the area chances are they are on your land too.
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@horselovinguy thanks, that's very helpful. And yes, it was that I didn't see any scat on "my" property. I found plenty in the woods. I did see deer poop on my side, but there's really no point trying to build a fence to keep them out.

One other question -- how about woven wire instead of barb wire? It doesn't seem to cost a lot more, and might discourage some critters (coyotes, roaming dogs, maybe even raccoons) from entering. It looks like woven wire comes with one or two strands of barb wire on top. Any reason NOT to use woven wire (I'm not talking about welded wire, which I'm reading does not last very long) instead of a standard barb wire fence?
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For your perimeter fence I'd probably stick to something like barbed wire or even smooth wire. If something wants in, it will get in. Anything large enough and strong/determined enough will get through most types of fence. But if you make it hard for them to get through they will just take out the fence getting through. I have seen many small square fences taken out by hogs. If you have deer in the area (and in central Texas there are almost always deer around) they can get caught up in something that is too tall or has small holes. Coyotes, dogs, raccoons, skunks, armadillo, etc...will just dig under the fence if they want through bad enough. You can slow them down, but probably not stop them.

If you're really just wanting this to show the boundaries of your property, you could always go with something easy like a 4 strand barbed wire or smooth wire fence. It's only going to show humans where your property line is and that they should stay out. But it should be large enough between strands that medium sized animals can get through with ease and won't take out the fence coming through. Even something like cows would probably respect that fence as much as any other.

If you hire someone to build the fence, they will probably insist in clearing a path to build. They will take out trees, brush, etc. so they can work. As was stated above, it's probably a good idea to take out some of the brush and thin the trees anyway so that the healthy ones can grow. You can still leave - or relocate - some of the brush because lots of animals like to use brush piles as shelter for themselves or their babies.
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Woven wire is good, but it traps A LOT of snow. If you get snow, it will drift over the fence.


It also inhibits movement of small animals unless the mesh is large enough for them to get through-- which can be good or bad. On one hand, roaming dogs won't be coming into your property. On the other hand, wildlife won't be moving unimpeded in or out.
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Woven wire is good, but it traps A LOT of snow. If you get snow, it will drift over the fence.


It also inhibits movement of small animals unless the mesh is large enough for them to get through-- which can be good or bad. On one hand, roaming dogs won't be coming into your property. On the other hand, wildlife won't be moving unimpeded in or out.
This is really tough. I don't want to impede wildlife, except for coyotes (not even going to try with the bears and possible mountain lions). But I want to keep out stray dogs. Maybe I will just stick with the barbed wire. That forest is so thick, I can't imagine a lot of stray dogs wandering through it.
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One unusual alternative is rubber. The look is similar to vinyl and wood, but it's a lot cheaper. You can even use trees as posts. It won't keep wildlife or dogs out, but it does a good job keeping my horses in. All together, my fence is about a mile long. I understand cost being an issue! I just don't like barbed wire around horses.

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One other question -- how about woven wire instead of barb wire? It doesn't seem to cost a lot more, and might discourage some critters (coyotes, roaming dogs, maybe even raccoons) from entering. It looks like woven wire comes with one or two strands of barb wire on top. Any reason NOT to use woven wire (I'm not talking about welded wire, which I'm reading does not last very long) instead of a standard barb wire fence?

To me, a perimeter fence though is just that...perimeter. Barb wire is good perimeter fence..

I would have a second line of fence though inside my perimeter just so my entire land was enclosed to slow down any escapees, more importantly used to mark that boundary and honestly keep off my land those wandering...you refer to a very large tract of land needing to walk, ride and keep a visual on it with such over-growth is not going to be easy.

Good fences do make for great neighbors.
I would prefer woven wire if we are referring to the same kind of fence...
Sheep/goat or even livestock wire fence is what I refer to as woven wire fence...
I also love the horse fence with 2"x4" openings but it is pricey even in the thinner grade of fence...
The fencing I refer to is sold at all Tractor Supply Stores in various brands and even thickness of wires.

If you are referring to something else, not sure what so a picture or link to it for my tired brain to process.

People by me have that vinyl fence, the good horse stuff and I am not impressed.
With the heat and scorching sun in Florida it sags, period.
The fence has obviously been tightened and I know was installed by professionals and still...for what it cost I am not impressed.
It is used to hold livestock, horses and cattle and it is "electrified" and nope, it must not work properly cause they lean on it, bend it when they put head over and through the "planks" and sorry, but something 3" wide is just not the same look of barrier as a 6" top-board to a horse or cow, or just a plank fence..


Recycled tire rubber makes me nervous as my understanding is it is strips of old tires melded together...so today with nearly 100% of tires being steel belted my fear of a horse impaling a shred or shard scares me to death...
@mkmurphy81...can you expand on this...please.
Does your fence, is your fence constructed from recycled steel belted tires and are those steel belts in those "fence board strips"????

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Ummm...coyotes, fox, cats, deer, rabbit, raccoon, opossum, beaver, fowl, ....
Add snakes, alligators...most animals can get over or under that fence...
Only animal I see slowed down is a large turtle if the shell not fit through the openings...
Bear...is going to do what ever it wants, no arguments from me...I would be the dust you see fleeing!



A lot to think about...
,....I see many a night of this making decisions.


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Recycled tire rubber makes me nervous as my understanding is it is strips of old tires melded together...so today with nearly 100% of tires being steel belted my fear of a horse impaling a shred or shard scares me to death...
@mkmurphy81...can you expand on this...please.
Does your fence, is your fence constructed from recycled steel belted tires and are those steel belts in those "fence board strips"????

No, they are not steel belted tires, and they are not melded together.


They are recycled NASCAR tires. They have no steel belting and no tread. They cut the walls off each tire and then spiral cut what's left. Each roll I received was once one tire. Strips are joined by wrapping the ends securely around a post. Here are some close ups of both sides of a strip and a post where two strips are joined.
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