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post #1 of 97 Old 02-06-2018, 02:25 PM Thread Starter
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Christians and Christianity

The purpose of creating this thread is to hopefully increase unity and discussions among Christians on this forum and to help those with questions about Christianity to find answers. Hopefully, we can all find support and encouragement from each other when the bumps on the road of life seem like impassable mountains.
In an attempt to begin a discussion, which area of Scripture have you been studying? I have been working in Ecclesiastes; finding it to be very intriguing.

If you look for truth, you may find comfort in the end; if you look for comfort, you will not get either comfort or truth; only soft soap and wishful thinking to begin, and in the end, despair. -C.S. Lewis
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What a nice thread you started!

Right now I am struggling because both of my children have turned away from God. I raised them in the church. They never missed church or Sunday School and the lessons were loving and caring, not vindictive or scary. But they have rejected it all. I feel like I have not been a good enough Christian example to have them turn away so completely. I think if I had been more cheerful, not had so many problems, had things go more smoothly, it would have strengthened their faith instead of losing their faith.

My favorite verse is II Corinthians 4:8 "We are often troubled but not crushed; sometimes in doubt, but never in despair. We have many enemies but are never without a friend, and though badly hurt at times, we are not destroyed."
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What a nice thread you started!

Right now I am struggling because both of my children have turned away from God. I raised them in the church. They never missed church or Sunday School and the lessons were loving and caring, not vindictive or scary. But they have rejected it all. I feel like I have not been a good enough Christian example to have them turn away so completely. I think if I had been more cheerful, not had so many problems, had things go more smoothly, it would have strengthened their faith instead of losing their faith.

My favorite verse is II Corinthians 4:8 "We are often troubled but not crushed; sometimes in doubt, but never in despair. We have many enemies but are never without a friend, and though badly hurt at times, we are not destroyed."
I am sorry you are going through that.

If you permit, I would offer you a point of view of an atheist which might help you understand them better. I am atheist (or agnostic or whatever the correct term is) because I donít have the belief in a higher being. The emotion simply isnít there.

It is a very personal ďdecisionĒ which has nothing to do with how I was raised or with my family. Iíve put ďdecisionĒ in quotes because I never decided not to believe, just like I never decided to love my parents or to fall out of love with ex boyfriends. The emotion is either there or it isnít.

I feel it would be disingenuous and insulting to people who believe to pretend otherwise and just go through the motions. I am honest with people I am close to because I trust and respect them enough to share this with them.

I never felt at a disadvantage because I lack religion nor did I live an immoral life because of it. I still have a strong internal compass for right and wrong and I have a lot of compassion for other people and animals. For all effective purposes, it is as if I am religious (well, the particular religion I was raised in which isnít restrictive of how people go about their lives as long as they arenít hurting anyone). I hope I could help at least a little bit. Best of luck.
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What a nice thread you started!

Right now I am struggling because both of my children have turned away from God. I raised them in the church. They never missed church or Sunday School and the lessons were loving and caring, not vindictive or scary. But they have rejected it all. I feel like I have not been a good enough Christian example to have them turn away so completely. I think if I had been more cheerful, not had so many problems, had things go more smoothly, it would have strengthened their faith instead of losing their faith.

My favorite verse is II Corinthians 4:8 "We are often troubled but not crushed; sometimes in doubt, but never in despair. We have many enemies but are never without a friend, and though badly hurt at times, we are not destroyed."
If it gives you hope, I too was raised in a Christian home, and then rejected the Faith when I was about 14-15, then came back when I was 16. In my 20's now and staying Christian. I'm a hard skeptic of most things, pulling apart ideas and questioning the authority of just about everyone. I had to allow myself to be opened up to the Spirit and stop fighting Him. So don't blame yourself for your children's rejection; always know that nothing is impossible for Him Who framed the worlds.

That is a good verse to remember!

If you look for truth, you may find comfort in the end; if you look for comfort, you will not get either comfort or truth; only soft soap and wishful thinking to begin, and in the end, despair. -C.S. Lewis
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I am sorry you are going through that.

If you permit, I would offer you a point of view of an atheist which might help you understand them better. I am atheist (or agnostic or whatever the correct term is) because I donít have the belief in a higher being. The emotion simply isnít there.

It is a very personal ďdecisionĒ which has nothing to do with how I was raised or with my family. Iíve put ďdecisionĒ in quotes because I never decided not to believe, just like I never decided to love my parents or to fall out of love with ex boyfriends. The emotion is either there or it isnít.

I feel it would be disingenuous and insulting to people who believe to pretend otherwise and just go through the motions. I am honest with people I am close to because I trust and respect them enough to share this with them.
I agree with you; it is meaningless to go through the motions without believing. One is then prone to a systematic form of heartless legalism, or lip service, as it is called by some. Belief, though, I have found to be more than emotion. Emotions are fleeting and wild, often a poor choice for making decisions; yet one must have a emotion in the worship of God. On the contrary, one cannot believe from sheer intellect either, as that too remains shallow and legalistic. One must have both in order for true belief, a unity of heart, head, and soul.

If you look for truth, you may find comfort in the end; if you look for comfort, you will not get either comfort or truth; only soft soap and wishful thinking to begin, and in the end, despair. -C.S. Lewis
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What a nice thread you started!

Right now I am struggling because both of my children have turned away from God. I raised them in the church. They never missed church or Sunday School and the lessons were loving and caring, not vindictive or scary. But they have rejected it all. I feel like I have not been a good enough Christian example to have them turn away so completely. I think if I had been more cheerful, not had so many problems, had things go more smoothly, it would have strengthened their faith instead of losing their faith.

My favorite verse is II Corinthians 4:8 "We are often troubled but not crushed; sometimes in doubt, but never in despair. We have many enemies but are never without a friend, and though badly hurt at times, we are not destroyed."
More stuck than appears at the moment. I would think this has more to do age than anything else. You never forget things you learn as a youngster. And it's easy to do because deep down they know they aren't really going anywhere. He is still there and they know it.
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I am sorry you are going through that.

If you permit, I would offer you a point of view of an atheist which might help you understand them better. I am atheist (or agnostic or whatever the correct term is) because I donít have the belief in a higher being. The emotion simply isnít there.

It is a very personal ďdecisionĒ which has nothing to do with how I was raised or with my family. Iíve put ďdecisionĒ in quotes because I never decided not to believe, just like I never decided to love my parents or to fall out of love with ex boyfriends. The emotion is either there or it isnít.

I feel it would be disingenuous and insulting to people who believe to pretend otherwise and just go through the motions. I am honest with people I am close to because I trust and respect them enough to share this with them.

I never felt at a disadvantage because I lack religion nor did I live an immoral life because of it. I still have a strong internal compass for right and wrong and I have a lot of compassion for other people and animals. For all effective purposes, it is as if I am religious (well, the particular religion I was raised in which isnít restrictive of how people go about their lives as long as they arenít hurting anyone). I hope I could help at least a little bit. Best of luck.
The main thing wrong with organized religion is they dont get- if you are using the Bible to hurt other people, you're using it wrong.
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What a nice thread you started!

Right now I am struggling because both of my children have turned away from God. I raised them in the church. They never missed church or Sunday School and the lessons were loving and caring, not vindictive or scary. But they have rejected it all. I feel like I have not been a good enough Christian example to have them turn away so completely. I think if I had been more cheerful, not had so many problems, had things go more smoothly, it would have strengthened their faith instead of losing their faith.

My favorite verse is II Corinthians 4:8 "We are often troubled but not crushed; sometimes in doubt, but never in despair. We have many enemies but are never without a friend, and though badly hurt at times, we are not destroyed."
From a self-proclaimed BuddhiPagaChristiaTotemist (or as Gonzo from the Muppets used to say, "A Whatever"), I'm sorry you are going through this.

I think all children eventually separate from what their parents believe, at least in the beginning. Belief ebbs and flows a lot when people are young, and what we've learned in childhood needs to be proven out by our own experiences as young adults, and then just plain adults.

I think it's also important to remember that your relationship with God is not going to be the same as your childrens', just as their relationship with you is different from all the other people they will meet along the way. You gave them a foundation, but now is their time to decide what that relationship will be.

I know more than my fair share of "wild child" friends who it seemed would be the furthest people from religion their entire lives. Drugs, trouble with the law, everything you could think of. These days, now in our 30's, most of those people are usually some of the most devout and faithful people I know. And all of them, in their hearts, are good people.
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please be aware that if this discussion veers into one of a political nature, it would end up being removed. We once allowed such discussions of news and politics, of which religion often focussed pointedly, and they invariably become very caustic, so ultimately, we chose to close down the "News and Politics" area, and ask that there be no political discussion on the General talk area, either.

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What a nice thread you started!

Right now I am struggling because both of my children have turned away from God. I raised them in the church. They never missed church or Sunday School and the lessons were loving and caring, not vindictive or scary. But they have rejected it all. I feel like I have not been a good enough Christian example to have them turn away so completely. I think if I had been more cheerful, not had so many problems, had things go more smoothly, it would have strengthened their faith instead of losing their faith.

My favorite verse is II Corinthians 4:8 "We are often troubled but not crushed; sometimes in doubt, but never in despair. We have many enemies but are never without a friend, and though badly hurt at times, we are not destroyed."
don't forget the parable of the lost sheep and how it is the most precious. You laid the foundation, God will find them again.

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