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post #1361 of 1440 Old 04-23-2020, 02:56 PM
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This will be our reality for at least a year. It's a mistake to think of this as some kind of short term thing that will go away once we 'reopen' the economy.

I still read a paper newspaper and an article published by an economist was saying that the economic recovery will likely be "W" shaped. Meaning, there will be some good news over the summer, but by the Fall, when cases of Covid will likely resurge, many more businesses will fail, completely. most likely those that suffered severly during the first surge. This will cause an even deeper economic drop.


I don't see ANY good news about this in the papers. No bright stars. Well, I take that back. Research is beginning to provide some more effective treatment methods for those afflicted. If they can get some really good breakthroughs, this could be a significant game changers, as a real vaccine is a long way off.


There was an article about how blood clotting is seen in about 30 to 40% of the autopsies done on covid dead. This virus does something to the blood clotting system. That may explain why people come into the ER with extraordinarily low blood oxygen levels, and yet are not panting.
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There was an article about how blood clotting is seen in about 30 to 40% of the autopsies done on covid dead. This virus does something to the blood clotting system. That may explain why people come into the ER with extraordinarily low blood oxygen levels, and yet are not panting.
A while ago I wrote about one of our main cardio hospitals which kept getting asymptomatic patients and a lot of medical staff got infected. Well, that now makes sense - a stroke or a heart attack may be a symptom in itself.
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Last week in Lansing, MI (the capitol, where I am living), thousands of people held a protest. These people were supposed to remain in their cars, but one by one, they trickled onto the capitol building's lawn and paraded the streets of Lansing. Some were carrying signs, some were fully outfitted with assault rifles and ammunition, and some were just there to be there. While they were 'exercising their rights', many people living in Lansing were afraid in their homes, listening to the orchestra of car horns and screaming.



I am so embarrassed for all of those people.



Now, there are more emerging cases of the virus in counties that previously had very few cases. Gee, I wonder if collecting in Lansing to protest helped with that? Our Governor was going to slowly start opening up the state this week. I didn't listen to her most recent talk, but I would be willing to bet that all of these selfish people are going to slowdown our state re-opening even further.



If that happens, I just want to know why they couldn't wait two weeks more and continue abiding by the rules set in place so hopefully things would start improving.







In other news, the "rescue" that I got one of my horses from has been posting on her personal page often about the virus. A few months ago now she shared a picture of Minnie and I on her personal and rescue page, without my permission, taken from my personal page. I didn't like this, but it didn't hurt anything, and at the very least showed I know my stuff. Well the combination of having a picture of me on her page and discriminatory posts about the virus, I officially told her to take down any pictures including me. I haven't read her response, and I'm not going to. I don't want to be affiliated with her in any way, especially if I want to ever start training horses ago. I support all fellow humans, not all fellow humans minus "the Chinese virus ones".

Certainly there are two sides regardless of ones political persuasion. Quarantine and making a living is the see-saw balance.
People could remain in lockdown hoping for a government handout until that's exhausted or work. Working within reasonable viral guidelines certainly is the best choice.
Politicians placate to their constituency, so which came first the chicken or the egg? The safest route a politician can take is safety first. Health and lives priority one.
Then you have protesters who believe which is worse, the virus or starvation?
Protesters at some point tip the quarantine/freedom scale.
It's a very tough complex situation that's going to take time in phases with data.


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So, the store where I do most of my shopping has instituted, among other things, "one way" aisles. All the other ideas make sense, but the one way aisles seems ridiculous to me. I suppose the idea is that everyone will walk at the same pace, stopping at the same time, never passing anyone else, going in the same direction, and thus maintain social distance. But that's obviously not happening. Today I was walking down the back of the store and needed something from an aisle that was "one way" in the wrong direction. According to the signs, I was supposed to go down another aisle first (where there was someone actually shopping, so I would have had to go right past her) before I came back up this aisle (which was empty). I just went the "wrong way".

If anyone thinks this one-way aisle is a good idea, can you explain why? I don't mind doing my part, but as in the example above, it seems pointless at best and counter-productive at worst.
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Tennessee’s Governor Bill Lee announced a 4-phase recovery program today. I did not hear him speak, I only heard the recap on Channel 4 Nashville.

This is part of his plan. It makes sense, if only people will comply.

BEGIN QUOTE from TN.gov

Economic Recovery Guidance

Gov. Lee is working to safely open as many Tennessee businesses as possible in 89 of our 95 counties next week. We continue to engage directly with larger communities in the remaining 6 counties as we support their unique re-open plans (Shelby, Madison, Davidson, Hamilton, Knox and Sullivan counties)

Gov. Bill Lee previewed two industry reopens that will be covered in-depth tomorrow.

· Restaurants operating at 50% capacity and following the guidance will be allowed to open on Monday, April 27.

· Retail outfits operating at 50% capacity and following the guidance will be allowed to open next Wednesday, April 29.

Additional details will be announced at Friday’s press briefing with Tennessee’s Economic Recovery Group and full guidance will be posted here.

END QUOTE from TN.gov

In my two counties, the one Inlive in and the neighboring county I do the bulk of my shopping in:

1. My county jumped from 24 known Covid19 cases to 117 in less than two weeks. 79 of those cases came from my county’s Tyson Chicken Plant, 12 miles from me. Their union is demanding Tyson shut the plant down and do some major cleaning.

There has also been two Covid19 related deaths.

2. Conversely the other county seems to be holding steady with 24 known cases and zero deaths.

These counties border each other on their East-west borders.

3. People were wearing masks (including me) at the chiropractor‘s office, and/or waiting in their cars for their appointments.

4. I had to run to the all animal clinic in my county for Previcox for Joker. They allow one person at a time to sign in, then go wait in the car until called. They had my meds ready for me, so I wrote the check, got my meds and left. Masks were not a requirement but I had mine on.

5. The small animal clinics in “The other county”, where I had to take my Rottweiler for x-rays, and follow-up, has curbside service only. The vet either calls you or comes to the car wearing a mask to discuss your critter with you. When the visit is complete, a tech brings the animal back to your car.

It seems like the “other county” got with the program a lot faster than my county and they are a bit more rural. I think the difference is the mean age of the people in both counties. The other county is a little older in general, and a lot smarter & cautious. Plus the air base is over there and they know the skinny on stuff before the newspapers and the governor knows:):)
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So, the store where I do most of my shopping has instituted, among other things, "one way" aisles. All the other ideas make sense, but the one way aisles seems ridiculous to me. I suppose the idea is that everyone will walk at the same pace, stopping at the same time, never passing anyone else, going in the same direction, and thus maintain social distance. But that's obviously not happening. Today I was walking down the back of the store and needed something from an aisle that was "one way" in the wrong direction. According to the signs, I was supposed to go down another aisle first (where there was someone actually shopping, so I would have had to go right past her) before I came back up this aisle (which was empty). I just went the "wrong way".

If anyone thinks this one-way aisle is a good idea, can you explain why? I don't mind doing my part, but as in the example above, it seems pointless at best and counter-productive at worst.
Yes, you're supposed to go down the other aisle and then back up the one you need the item from in the correct direction. The idea for this is that nobody meets in an aisle; it's nearly impossible not to pass close to another person in a supermarket aisle if you're going different directions. Some stores take it very seriously and have the ends of the aisles cordoned off, so if you miss something, you have to go back to the beginning by the entrance and pass up and down each aisle again and start ALL OVER. And yes, if someone ahead of you stops or is already in the aisle browsing, you're supposed to stop a safe distance away until they have moved on before you move again. It's really the only way to keep people apart in a store, and I think it will be widely instituted in nearly all retail areas soon. Ours requires the one-way aisles unless there are only a couple of shoppers in the store, in which case you can move around as you want as long as you don't meet or pass anyone in an aisle.
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Here in my rural county cases are slowly increasing. We are at 30 cases now and 3 deaths - and we are seeing and hearing a lot more grumbling about staying at home. More traffic, more people out - and it is scary. My son is one that is young and feels invincible and says he doesn't "care" if he gets it. The thing is I care if he gets it. His social life is suffering and that is all he can think about now. Meanwhile our state (IL) continues to see 1000 new cases per day - yes, most of these are Chicago and the suburbs but we know from when the virus first made appearances here that Chicagoans are not staying in Chicago.

A former co-worker posts daily on the book of faces about how her son is failing at the home schooling. He is a Sophomore in HS (16yrs old) and has convinced his parents that he did not understand the homework assignments for a few of his classes and could not get a hold of his teachers. Now he is failing quite a few classes and his ability to play sports this fall is in jeopardy. The mother is calling teachers out by name in her posts and blaming them for her sons failing. I get it, home schooling is hard and making time to make sure your kids are staying caught up is also hard. BUT even while my kids were in school our school made it easy to check on their progress and see whether their assignments were and how their grades were. I feel like I may be one of a very few parents who stayed on top of that. All the while working a full time job and traveling at least one week out of every six.

So many of the posts I see now just make me sad
Yeah, I call BS on the mom and son. My kids tell me about classmates who pretend not to have access to a website but spend all day online playing games, or telling the teacher that they can't meet on line at 1:30 pm because they'll be asleep, or that they just can't motivate themselves to work from home because they just play video games all day! Really? Suck it up! I have to wake my son up every day at least 3 times before he's out of bed. Then I have to nag him to shower, clean his room and exercise. I ask about his homework, I do some of it with him. I look after the horses and ride with my daughter. And STILL I find time to stay on top of my own work too.

Yes, we are among the lucky ones, I fully acknowledge that. But a lot of people are viewing this as a way to opt out of working.

As for the teens working @boots , you're right, I don't know the circumstances of all the teens working. But the ones I do know have two parents who still have jobs and earn good wages in very high-placed white collar careers. They don't NEED the money to help the family survive. I shouldn't judge, I know. Generally speaking, I'd be entirely in favour of teens earning a dollar. But when they can't do their schoolwork, but can go scoop out ice cream all day, unless the family truly is in financial need (and the ones I know are NOT), it makes no sense to me. What are the kids learning about priorities and planning for the future? We will still need science and people with degrees to help us out of this mess. Sorry for the rant. I'm not targeting all teens working, I just can't wrap my head around the fact that they would normally still be in high school right now, so their priority should still be to finish that.
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@Acadianartist - Ahhh. I didn't know you knew the kid(s).

Here it's pretty sad for some of them. High school and college kids. Some of the college kids were better off staying here and trying to make it rather than go home. People made room in their houses. Usually people who also has kids in college. Others are offering work.
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[QUOTE=walkinthewalk;1970861173]Tennessee’s Governor Bill Lee announced a 4-phase recovery program today. I did not hear him speak, I only heard the recap on Channel 4 Nashville.



This is part of his plan. It makes sense, if only people will comply.



BEGIN QUOTE from TN.gov



Economic Recovery Guidance



Gov. Lee is working to safely open as many Tennessee businesses as possible in 89 of our 95 counties next week. We continue to engage directly with larger communities in the remaining 6 counties as we support their unique re-open plans (Shelby, Madison, Davidson, Hamilton, Knox and Sullivan counties)



Gov. Bill Lee previewed two industry reopens that will be covered in-depth tomorrow.



· Restaurants operating at 50% capacity and following the guidance will be allowed to open on Monday, April 27.



· Retail outfits operating at 50% capacity and following the guidance will be allowed to open next Wednesday, April 29.



Additional details will be announced at Friday’s press briefing with Tennessee’s Economic Recovery Group and full guidance will be posted here.



END QUOTE from TN.gov



In my two counties, the one Inlive in and the neighboring county I do the bulk of my shopping in:



1. My county jumped from 24 known Covid19 cases to 117 in less than two weeks. 79 of those cases came from my county’s Tyson Chicken Plant, 12 miles from me. Their union is demanding Tyson shut the plant down and do some major cleaning.



There has also been two Covid19 related deaths.



2. Conversely the other county seems to be holding steady with 24 known cases and zero deaths.



These counties border each other on their East-west borders.



3. People were wearing masks (including me) at the chiropractor‘s office, and/or waiting in their cars for their appointments.



4. I had to run to the all animal clinic in my county for Previcox for Joker. They allow one person at a time to sign in, then go wait in the car until called. They had my meds ready for me, so I wrote the check, got my meds and left. Masks were not a requirement but I had mine on.



5. The small animal clinics in “The other county”, where I had to take my Rottweiler for x-rays, and follow-up, has curbside service only. The vet either calls you or comes to the car wearing a mask to discuss your critter with you. When the visit is complete, a tech brings the animal back to your car.



It seems like the “other county” got with the program a lot faster than my county and they are a bit more rural. I think the difference is the mean age of the people in both counties. The other county is a little older in general, and a lot smarter & cautious. Plus the air base is over there and they know the skinny on stuff before the newspapers and the governor knows:):)
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I'm thinking:

"My county jumped from 24 known Covid19 cases to 117 in less than two weeks. 79 of those cases came from my county’s Tyson Chicken Plant, 12 miles from me. Their union is demanding Tyson shut the plant down and do some major cleaning."

And then followed by...

"It seems like the “other county” got with the program a lot faster than my county and they are a bit more rural. I think the difference is the mean age of the people in both counties. The other county is a little older in general, and a lot smarter & cautious."

Is self explanatory. In your county is the Tyson chicken plant where most of the cases originated, which makes sense, not that your adjacent county has fewer cases because they're smarter and cautious.




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Is self explanatory. In your county is the Tyson chicken plant where most of the cases originated, which makes sense, not that your adjacent county has fewer cases because they're smarter and cautious.




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Correct to a point as Tyson is in trouble at another processing plant, a few counties north.

However, there was a point where entrepreneurial type businesses in my county did not take this Covid19 anywhere near as serious as their peers in the next county.

My insurance agent, for example, had commented she is (she is still open to he public but with reduced hours) the only insurance agent in town who hasn’t closed her doors to clients — she is also one of the younger ones and honestly at one point believed there wasn’t much to worry about.

I stand by my thoughts the next county over was smarter and more cautious, at an earlier point in time. Now that the horse is long ago out of the barn, my county is catching up. I made it thru almost every traffic light without stopping because the streets were empty today:)

When talking to people, I have always found there is a different mindset between these two counties. The only thing they seem to nearly all agree on, is what color this state should be politically——-
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