COVID-19 - different containment approaches around the world - Page 4 - The Horse Forum
 5023Likes
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #31 of 1440 Old 03-05-2020, 10:21 AM
Green Broke
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: eh?
Posts: 2,794
• Horses: 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by Acadianartist View Post
Exactly. I'm not trying to minimize the risk, but mortality is still only around 3% from what I'm reading. Don't get me wrong, it's just common sense to avoid traveling to locations where the virus is spreading fast, but here in Canada, I've not read of any deaths yet, and if they do occur, it's likely going to be those who are already vulnerable. The regular flu kills many more people annually. I think people easily jump to panic mode. That said, it will likely make people re-think some of their travel habits, which wouldn't be a bad thing for the planet overall. Same with our supply chains - this has revealed many weak links, and a heavy reliance on China for cheap goods. Best to buy local, support local or regional businesses, and reduce the amount of shipping worldwide.

Influenza may have a higher head count, but it also has an established foothold in our population and has something like 5 million hospitalization globally with a mortality rate generally under 1%. Considering COVID-19 is more infectious and we have no vaccine or herd immunity, if it becomes as wide spread as Influenza there will be a much greater impact. That said, because we don't know much, it's possible way more people are infected than we think with none to mild symptoms and the mortality rate is way lower than reported.

Edit to add: Its not the viral apocalypse. No need to be panicking, most people will be just fine, but as far as we know, it's not just another flu.
SueC likes this.
ApuetsoT is offline  
post #32 of 1440 Old 03-05-2020, 10:21 AM
Green Broke
 
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: middle of nowhere
Posts: 4,105
• Horses: 3
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreamcatcher Arabians View Post
Check Bath & Body Works for those here in the US. I was in not too long ago and got several purse sized sanitizers in different "flavors" at 5 bottles for $7. Grabbed a couple of key chain fobs so I can't forget it.
BBW sanitizer used to be too low in alcohol to work. I haven't bought any lately so I don't know if that's changed. But worth checking. I know I had a bottle from them one time that was 40% alcohol and it needs to be 60% to be effective.
SilverMaple is offline  
post #33 of 1440 Old 03-05-2020, 10:34 AM
Green Broke
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Hildreth, FL
Posts: 2,802
• Horses: 5
My daughter loves Bath & Body Works hand sanitizers and buys them sometimes. The ones we have are 68% alcohol. These were all bought this year.
knightrider is offline  
post #34 of 1440 Old 03-05-2020, 10:51 AM
Administrator
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: CT USA an English transplant
Posts: 34,594
• Horses: 3
In the US each State will have its own advisory and our local town (where nearest hospital is situated) is putting out its own advisory as well
https://uwc.211ct.org/coronavirus-no...l-information/

My DH has just had some of his team return from business trips to Italy and Asia and he's told all of them to from home for at least 2 weeks. The company he works for is cancelling all non essential trips for the time being.

It isn't just the worry of mortality, its the chaos that will incur if a lot of staff are all off sick at the same time. That could have serious implications for hospitals, care homes, schools, police etc. Most stores would struggle to stay open if a lot of their staff were off ill.
AnitaAnne, boots and SueC like this.

Just winging it is not a plan
jaydee is offline  
post #35 of 1440 Old 03-05-2020, 10:59 AM
Green Broke
 
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: middle of nowhere
Posts: 4,105
• Horses: 3
Part of the issue is how long the virus lasts.... incubation is 2 weeks or more. People are sick for weeks. Now some who recovered are again testing postitive, so the virus may hang around even longer-- months.

People are just now having symptoms who were exposed mid-February. It will be April before they recover. Who can afford to be sick and off work for 4-6 weeks or more?! And that's if you recover at home with no expense of hospital treatment.
AnitaAnne, boots and SueC like this.
SilverMaple is offline  
post #36 of 1440 Old 03-05-2020, 11:00 AM
Foal
 
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 65
• Horses: 0
I live in the US in New York and there are 13 confirmed cases in NY. They did close a school down to disinfect it. Now these are confirmed cases how many out there that did not report it or know they have it is unknown.

Bath and body works a good idea and places like that I wish lush would sell a hand sanitizer. I do like that homemade recipe if there is a shortage is a great idea. We have just revamped all the chemicals to more organic ones. Now I find myself needing to go back to Clorox and Lysol. Not sure what kind of soap they recommend to wash your hands with. Any suggestions? Since it’s all they are recommending wash your hands. Do they even know what the best soap is.

Two days ago I received a email from the pediatrics office stating not to come into the office if my children or myself had symptoms of fever, shortness of breath or any corona virus symptoms or/and traveled to countries warned about by the cdc. The email instructed to call the provider first. The ambulance to the house is a good way to test not sure what they are doing here other then go to the hospital. I was in the er recently for my mom for issues unrelated to this topic. I noticed a lot of health care workers wearing masks and my sister - since I am (have lots of respiratory issues and heavy duty chemo two years ago -) immunocompromised- to get a mask. The nurse said they are conserving them for health care workers. There is a shortage and she told me to leave the hospital mostly due to the flue cases there.

China has shut down many of their factories and I do worry there will also be a shortage of antibiotics as most of our antibiotics come from China. Antibiotics are needed for those who develop pneumonia from flue and corona virus. Since my immune system is not the best I am certainly concerned as I am for my parents who are older. I am concerned since they have no Tamiflu or vaccine. I can see how vaccines although not good for all (as they can effect some people immune systems) can make viruses slow down in spreading. . I hear some stores are already running out of hand sanitizer and Lysol wipes. If anyone heard me cough - my normal cough sounds like I have iron lung lol -they might want to bubble wrap me and quarantine me. I did get the n99 reusable masks on Amazon they will not get here by End of March. I will use them regardless for other things but glad to have them.
AnitaAnne likes this.

Owner of my beloved paint horse

Last edited by Horse girl 07; 03-05-2020 at 11:20 AM.
Horse girl 07 is offline  
post #37 of 1440 Old 03-05-2020, 11:26 AM
Trained
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 5,146
• Horses: 2
Regular soap is fine. Soap and water are the the best preventatives because there is no need for them to kill anything to be effective. You only need to wash the viruses or bacteria off your hands in order to prevent infection. Just like we wash our vegetables with water and don't get sick - all we have to do is rinse the germs off of them, not douse our veggies in sanitizer.

Soap aids water in removing things off our hands more effectively.

Maybe I'm jaded or callused. People complain constantly that the world is over populated and we're killing off nature. The natural effect of too many humans is that diseases will help limit the population explosions. A 99 year old is going to die of something within a few weeks or months. Some kind of virus or just the body failing is going to cause a death.

I think it should be encouraged that those who are medically fragile, old or immuno-compromised should be encouraged to wear masks, avoid going out in public, etc., and the rest of us should just live with the fact that we are exposed to multitudes of viruses, bacteria and fungi every day, and some of those will make us ill or kill us.
gottatrot is offline  
post #38 of 1440 Old 03-05-2020, 11:49 AM
Foal
 
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 65
• Horses: 0
@gottatrot thanks makes sense!
gottatrot and SueC like this.

Owner of my beloved paint horse
Horse girl 07 is offline  
post #39 of 1440 Old 03-05-2020, 01:13 PM
Showing
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: OK
Posts: 13,938
• Horses: 9
Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverMaple View Post
BBW sanitizer used to be too low in alcohol to work. I haven't bought any lately so I don't know if that's changed. But worth checking. I know I had a bottle from them one time that was 40% alcohol and it needs to be 60% to be effective.
It's 68% now.

Dreamcatcher Arabians is offline  
post #40 of 1440 Old 03-05-2020, 01:38 PM
Green Broke
 
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: middle of nowhere
Posts: 4,105
• Horses: 3
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreamcatcher Arabians View Post
It's 68% now.

Good to know they bumped it up
SilverMaple is offline  
Closed Thread

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the The Horse Forum forums, you must first register.

Already have a Horse Forum account?
Members are allowed only one account per person at the Horse Forum, so if you've made an account here in the past you'll need to continue using that account. Please do not create a new account or you may lose access to the Horse Forum. If you need help recovering your existing account, please Contact Us. We'll be glad to help!

New to the Horse Forum?
Please choose a username you will be satisfied with using for the duration of your membership at the Horse Forum. We do not change members' usernames upon request because that would make it difficult for everyone to keep track of who is who on the forum. For that reason, please do not incorporate your horse's name into your username so that you are not stuck with a username related to a horse you may no longer have some day, or use any other username you may no longer identify with or care for in the future.



User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome