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post #601 of 1440 Old 03-20-2020, 01:53 PM
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A friend in emergency medicine said her ER shift the other night had 2 people in. One broken arm, one potential heart attack. That's it. Normally they see 20 - 40 people per shift. She's wondering where the people with abdominal pain, premature pregnancy contractions, GI bleeds, drug overdoses, severe migraines, children with ear infections, etc. are all hiding and how many will worsen dangerously if the patients are too afraid to seek care?
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A friend in emergency medicine said her ER shift the other night had 2 people in. One broken arm, one potential heart attack. That's it. Normally they see 20 - 40 people per shift. She's wondering where the people with abdominal pain, premature pregnancy contractions, GI bleeds, drug overdoses, severe migraines, children with ear infections, etc. are all hiding and how many will worsen dangerously if the patients are too afraid to seek care?
Maybe they are just all staying home and not getting into emergency situations. Thinking positively
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I’m doing okay, thanks for asking @RegalCharm . I think the country is doing as well as can be expected given the circumstances; time will tell though.


As of today, Scotland has 322 cases and 6 deaths, the UK 2692 cases and 144 deaths.

There’s 23 in my area. The largest number is in Glasgow, while the smaller islands off the west coast and north are still free of the virus. Except for the Shetland islands, which have a high number of cases.

Our schools are now closed and exams cancelled. They probably won’t open again until mid-August when students should return from their summer holidays. Children of key workers or vulnerable children will still attend.

The Government will cover the majority of employees’ wages to protect their jobs.

Those off sick will get Sick Leave pay from the first day.

Restaurants, clubs and other similar venues have been told to close as the Government didn’t believe that people, especially the young, were taking the virus seriously.

Supermarkets are hiring thousands of permanent and temporary staff to help with demand.
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post #604 of 1440 Old 03-20-2020, 04:28 PM
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. . . Our schools are now closed and exams cancelled. They probably won’t open again until mid-August when students should return from their summer holidays. . .
I was just reading an article yesterday saying that with good practicing of social distancing, some projections show cases trailing off into the summer, but then roaring back in the fall - as was seen with the 1918 flu - and I was wondering if the above, combined with complacency, is exactly why this would happen.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...avirus/608389/

(The argument in the article is that we need to use the summer lull to build up the testing/tracing/medical infrastructure to be ready for the virus's return. Raise your hand if you're optimistic this will happen.)
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... I'm seeing more and more reports of hospitals and clinics without any sort of personal protection equipment available for staff. One surgical mask per person, to be used every day for the foreseeable future is common. Several area nursing homes are out of gloves and masks entirely. Our local clinic has one box of masks left for all of their doctors and nurses, and they aren't the N95 masks, just the plain disposable surgical masks that are supposed to be discarded after each patient/procedure. This is a catastrophe in the making as the Covid-19 patients have barely begun to trickle in to many areas of the country. What happens in a week or two when waves of the sick start descending on hospitals who have no way to protect their doctors, nurses, and staff? Either those people will refuse to work (as is their right) or they will care for patients with no gloves, masks, gowns, or shields and become sick themselves, then there will be no one to care for those who need it.

I am so worried for friends and family who work in healthcare. This is unacceptable in America, the government knew this was coming for months, and did NOTHING! We need to get that supply chain up and running domestically and not depend on China for our supplies, because when this comes back next winter (as most experts say it will) we can't have this happening again.
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post #606 of 1440 Old 03-20-2020, 06:46 PM
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We are staying home stocked up on all needed items. Haven't been off property for going on a week Tuesday.

Couldn't pay me to go to any hospital,clinic for anything. I cut my finger needed stitches,not happening,just put a bandage on it an called it good.

Went from 60 cases of covid-19 to 77 and now up to 115. Not in our county still way South of here.

Thanks but I'll just stay home even if it means literally months. In need of nothing for horses, dog or us.
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This talk about mutations is interesting. We think the virus doesn't confer long-term immunity, but no doubt it confers at least short-term immunity. If a person were feeling selfish, might it make sense for them to try to become infected now, while the hospitals are not yet full, and before the virus possibly mutates to something more deadly?

It would obviously be selfish because right now governments are trying to flatten the curve, and if lots of people did this it would have the opposite effect. But, as a thought experiment, I find it interesting.
It would be the rational option - if we had all of the data. But we don’t. I think most people are aware of the lack of data and would be too afraid to try it. There is some research coming out of China indicating that the virus is getting less deadly. From what I gather, viruses often follow that trend. (As always, treat all information on internet with extreme caution)

It is an interesting thought experiment. I spent some time thinking about it as well. It opens up a whole bunch of questions about ethics, individual vs. the collective and how bad does it have to get for people to switch to “every man for himself” mode. What signifies the tipping point and how fast would people come to a consensus that this it?
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post #608 of 1440 Old 03-20-2020, 07:33 PM
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Evidence it can cause severe lung damage even in people who have recovered is one reason. Others is that there is still so much we don't know, and it's also had plenty of deaths from the 'young and healthy' camp, so that's another reason.
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Found this today so thought I'd share. Need to have a laugh, especially now with all the bad going on with covid-19.

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Anomalies: Germany and India.

Has anyone seen any discussion on why Germany has such a “low” death rate? The are very similar to Spain in number of cases (19k Germany vs 21k Spain) and the timeline seems to match as well but the have a much lower mortality rate (Germany 68 vs Spain 1093). This is a huge discrepancy and I am sure it’s raised a few eyebrows.

India: very low infection rate, 249 cases. I find it hard to believe that the virus wouldn’t have spread much faster in a very densely populated environment with a large population living without proper sanitation. The outbreak started right in the middle of their peak tourist season as well (November to March). I am not sure if they get a lot of Chinese tourists though.

Any ideas?
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