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post #661 of 860 Old 03-22-2020, 08:27 AM
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Supermarkets are hiring thousands of permanent and temporary staff to help with demand.
My bro is a personal trainer, is attempting to still earn money by doing it thru Instagram. His partner worked in a restaurant & was sacked last week. She went for a position at a supermarket yesterday, as ours are frantically trying to keep up with demand too. This one had 8 positions to fill.... and something like 6300 people turned up wanting the jobs! Tomorrow they both go to apply for unemployment benefits... wonder how long the cues will be there...
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@Horsef , please let us know how the horse thing works out, and I'd love to se a screen shot of the satellite image of the place you chose.


In reference to the huge spike in Spain, both last week and the week before we had excellent weather here in central Spain, so lots of people were out on the streets, in the parks and in outdoor cafés. That timeframe aligns with the spike in infections we are seeing now. Be that as it may, I am convinced that public trasportation and children/youth in schools had a lot more to do with the contagion.


Currently, in Spain we are witnessing comparisons being made with Germany, which has an extremely low death rate. I would like to give a few words of caution on interpreting such data:

1) Without a standardized international data registry (the WHO should be doing this), it is IMPOSSIBLE to make unbiased comparisons at this time.

2) Countries who are testing on a larger scale (like Germany) will always have lower death rates, because their number of "infected" patients includes asymptomatic and mild cases. This is only possible in the initial stages of the pandemic, and this was not done in Spain or Italy.

3) Countries who are already witnessing a spike in their curve (Spain, Italy currently) are not testing everyone. They are ONLY TESTING HOSPITALIZED PATIENTS, who are the most critical.

4) As there is no standardized registry of data, some countries are reporting COVID19 deaths to include ANY death (all-cause deaths) with C19 infection (Spain, for example). Other countries are reporting COVID19 deaths as only those patients who had no comorbidities or were not previously hospitalized, so that COVID19 was the ONLY cause of death.


Having said that, it is also important to look at the number of hospital beds per capita per country.

Germany: 8.3 per 100 inhabitants
Italy: 3.4/100
Spain: 3.0/100
United States: 2.9/100
UK: 2.8/100

I think that data is quite clear. https://data.worldbank.org/indicator....ZS?view=chart


Equally clear is the number of physicians per capita (again, Germany up front and US at the end https://data.worldbank.org/indicator....ZS?view=chart).


However, where the US is in the lead is in the number of critical care beds per 100,000 inhabitants, and that is where the US has an advantage for saving more C-19 pandemic patients:

US: 34.7 ICU beds / 100,000 inhabitants
Germany: 29.2
Italy: 12.5
Spain: 9.7
UK: 6.6


Lastly, let's not forget that data reporting is also tainted by politics. I'm not pointing any fingers here - this is across the board and seen in all countries, making it essential for an unbiased entity like the WHO to provide an anonymous data registry where doctors/departments can report their data, without going through government channels.

(This is a typical practice in the treatment of many diseases, and I find it inexplicable that it is not being done for this pandemic. Baffling.)

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In our community people want to know why more are not being tested. We are only testing people who have symptoms that are not mild and not explained by another disease. The amount of masks we have are limited, and every test done requires that the person testing wears one. So for example if we tested 1,000 people, that would be 1,000 masks. If most of those people are negative or will only have mild symptoms, this is a waste of masks that may be needed for treatment of people who are actually ill. So we are not testing as an "FYI" around here or to soothe people's worries.
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I'm so scared I'll never see my parents again... both are older, dad has health issues... this is so hard.

All of the anti-vaxxers out there saying they would refuse a vaccine even if one is found mean a vaccine in the US is not as likely to be effective as in other countries where you don't get a choice as to whether you get vaccinated.
Yes, I'm terrified for my parents(who split some years back). Mum is not healthy, has bipolar & has been 'up' & entertaining, rushing off all over the place, entertaining Pommy relatives(who I guess may be stuck here for the duration - they came last week for a 3 week holiday!). Dad was due to have a pacemaker in, but they've put that on hold. He's blase 'I'm way fitter than any 70+yo I know' and his partner is a nurse 'But of course they have adequate measures in place in hospitals, so she will never get the disease'...

As far as anti vaxxers, I would imagine it's similar to over here, that there aren't that many of them, in the scheme of things, so it probably won't make a real dent. Most of us over here don't have a flu shot either, unless people are old or immuno-compromised. My hubby is asthmatic, gets eczema, hayfever, possibly has asbestosis and he's been getting flu shots last few years, but it's rare for under 60's I think.
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@gottatrot , I agree. I personally believe that the time has passed for widerange testing. It is now more important for everyone to stay home, provide healthcare workers with the resources they need to grapple this thing, and let them do their work.
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My bro is a personal trainer, is attempting to still earn money by doing it thru Instagram. His partner worked in a restaurant & was sacked last week. She went for a position at a supermarket yesterday, as ours are frantically trying to keep up with demand too. This one had 8 positions to fill.... and something like 6300 people turned up wanting the jobs! Tomorrow they both go to apply for unemployment benefits... wonder how long the cues will be there...

I hope they both succeed; losing work is the last thing they need.

We have had a lot of people made redundant from the hospitality industry, many said that they will not be able to pay their next rent and other bills. The worry must be awful.

Our five big supermarkets are taking on 30,000 plus people and the UK Government is offering companies a grant of up to £2,500 a month for each member of staff who would otherwise be made redundant. I'm not sure where there is support for our self-employed though. Fingers crossed it works in practice.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51976075
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51982005
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^Caledonian, our esteemed PM has told people to just go on the dole, and will not be freezing mortgage or rent payments. I just don't know how people are meant to cope. My bro is renting in the city, after getting his new business going, has no savings to fall back on. One sister has a huge mortgage & the other has their house(mortgaged) here, and 2 investment properties in London. God I hope our (investment) house settlement goes thru, set for this Friday, because if it doesn't, we're seriously up the creek, even if my husband's job(construction so classed as essential) does hold out. ...And then, if it does go through, I feel really sorry for the young bloke who bought it - he's a landscape gardener, by no means essential.
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@Spanish Rider Thank you so much for taking the time to write here. It means a lot.

My horse will be ok for another two and a half months. Some of the staff live at the yard and we just stocked up on food. Some of my friends aren’t so lucky. I’ll keep you posted.

I’ll post the satellite image of the “place” in a bit from my PC.
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@loosie - I hope everything goes well for you and your family.
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@Spanish Rider Thank you so much for taking the time to write here. It means a lot.

My horse will be ok for another two and a half months. Some of the staff live at the yard and we just stocked up on food. Some of my friends aren’t so lucky. I’ll keep you posted.

I’ll post the satellite image of the “place” in a bit from my PC.
That's a relief @Horsef ! I just can't imagine the heartbreak of having to take your horses out to a wilderness area and just setting them free, not knowing what will happen to them. I do hope for your sake that this is all over within the next 2.5 months.

And I get what you're saying about letting people walk their dogs and ending up with everyone outside socializing. I anticipate stronger measures coming tomorrow (Monday) for us because a lot of people have been out and about this weekend. That's fine - my kids and I are ok to stay on our 13 acre property and I have enough hay to last until the pastures grow up again for my horses. My husband is going to work every day in the city, but I don't think they will be able to shut him down so he's our lifeline to getting supplies. He's also our weak link. It is what is... not much we can do about it. One of us would have to go in for groceries anyway. I am ordering things online and having them delivered at his office, or having him pick up on location with everything being pre-ordered and he is met at the door. We are fortunate overall.

But it is beginning to sink in that this is not going to be over in a matter of weeks. My kids won't likely go back to school until September. My son probably won't play provincial football in July. The horse show I was organizing for mid-July probably won't happen (I've put everything on hold for now since Equestrian Canada is telling us there will be no events or competitions for a while). Honestly, it sucks, but it could be so much worse.

Hoping everyone here is holding up ok.
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