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post #81 of 979 Old 03-07-2020, 02:42 PM
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I was really bummed to hear about SXSW being cancelled. Isn't that going a bit to extremes?


Here in Seattle, they cancelled Comic Con, a HUGE convention here. They postponed it.



This whole panic and overreacting by cancelling all these events, and economic impact it is having (which is going to get way worse), is FAR FAR more damaging to our country than the impacts of the illness itself.



Businesses here are laying poeple off, and collapsing, even though NOT ONE person has gotten sick due to them. NOT ONE>


This reminds me a bit of the whole housing crisis of 2007; The foolish behavior of a certain group of , well, 'fools', will drag down every other sane, reasonable, person out there.



I'm really steamed about this!
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Yeah, I'm on the fence about cancelling stuff. Most school trips to Europe have been cancelled, but a group of students from one school is still going - to Italy! Parents are annoyed that they will have to stay home from school for 14 days after returning. I think it was a horrible idea to go in the midst of this.

On the other hand, I'd be crushed for my son if the Canada Cup in Vancouver got cancelled (it's only in July so lots of time for the virus to die out hopefully). It will be his last year playing football for our province at the national level and we were all hoping to go watch him play. But BC is one of the provinces that has active cases so who knows how this will all play out. Hard to make plans though.

I do think some people are overreacting, but then again, some people are being idiots and not using common sense. There must be a middle ground in all this.
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post #83 of 979 Old 03-07-2020, 06:25 PM
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I was really bummed to hear about SXSW being cancelled. Isn't that going a bit to extremes?
The thing that's really ridiculous about that, IMO, is that the mayor is the one who cancelled it. He just declared a "local disaster" and said it couldn't go forward. Disaster???

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post #84 of 979 Old 03-07-2020, 06:31 PM
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See, here's the thing. This virus is very serious to those who are older or have heart/lung/immune issues. 30x more dangerous than the flu. Social distancing is KEY to preventing spread to these vulnerable people, along with not touching contaminated surfaces. So large gatherings, schools, daycares, conferences, conventions, travel, etc. are the worst thing anyone can do. We're starting to test here in the US for people who have NOT been traveling internationally. Cases are going to explode within the next week to 10 days as testing increases. A week ago, only a handful of states had confirmed cases. Within the last couple of days, dozens more states have confirmed cases. Over the next week or two once testing kits become more available, we're going to see thousands of new cases nationwide.

There's a woman in Nebraska, 36 years old, played in a large sporting event a week ago and is currently hospitalized in 'very serious condition' at the UNMC and she had contact with hundreds of people at the event, plus everywhere she went this past week to eat, shop, buy groceries, etc. before she knew she was ill. There are thousands more people like her in the US right now who don't know they have it but are infecting others.

This virus could kill people like my dad. If cancelling a convention or flight keeps people home so he's not coughed on, and helps slow spread so the ER's and hospitals aren't full of the mildly sick if he should need care, I'm all for it.
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See, here's the thing. This virus is very serious to those who are older or have heart/lung/immune issues. 30x more dangerous than the flu. Social distancing is KEY to preventing spread to these vulnerable people, along with not touching contaminated surfaces. So large gatherings, schools, daycares, conferences, conventions, travel, etc. are the worst thing anyone can do. We're starting to test here in the US for people who have NOT been traveling internationally. Cases are going to explode within the next week to 10 days as testing increases. A week ago, only a handful of states had confirmed cases. Within the last couple of days, dozens more states have confirmed cases. Over the next week or two once testing kits become more available, we're going to see thousands of new cases nationwide.

There's a woman in Nebraska, 36 years old, played in a large sporting event a week ago and is currently hospitalized in 'very serious condition' at the UNMC and she had contact with hundreds of people at the event, plus everywhere she went this past week to eat, shop, buy groceries, etc. before she knew she was ill. There are thousands more people like her in the US right now who don't know they have it but are infecting others.

This virus could kill people like my dad. If cancelling a convention or flight keeps people home so he's not coughed on, and helps slow spread so the ER's and hospitals aren't full of the mildly sick if he should need care, I'm all for it.

Thank you SilverMaple! I feel the same way. My Mom has all sorts of health conditions both with her lungs, heart and diabetes. Both my parents are in their 70's. (Heck, I am in my 40's but have asthma.) We are taking this quite seriously as I don't know if my Mom will make it through another pneumonia.

If someone thinks all the precautions people are taking are just over-reactions, and you are SURE you will be in the lucky 80% with hardly any illness, more power to you. But some of us have legitimate concerns about this virus. I am tired of hearing folks call this over-reacting when it is a legitimate danger to some people. I would think MOST people would know at least ONE person that has some health issues that they don't want to see die from pneumonia.......right?

This article says this corona virus may be 34 more times fatal than the flu. I think that deserves some respect.


https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...vent-covid-19/


I have a feeling the virus is already all over the United States and the only reason we don't know about it is a lack of test kits and a long incubation period. That doesn't mean it isn't out there doing damage, just that it hasn't been confirmed yet. Just in the last two days there is confirmed community spread here in Arizona. I think the spread is out way ahead of the actual testing.
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I think, I hope that once this thing really hits and we can confirm who does/does not have it and people start recovering and not dying, things will calm down. I DO think it's going to hit us hard, more in the cities than out in the country for the obvious reasons but it's going to hit. But like a bad cold, it can turn into pneumonia and it can be nasty. I'm in my 60's, have a history of asthma and pneumonia (Have been vaxed with all the newest, super zoomiest vacs) so touch wood, if I'm exposed my immune system will deal with it. I AM washing my hands and using hand sanitizer like a new religion. I'm not cancelling things we have planned, like going to OKC today and having lunch and then doing Costco, I just am being reasonably cautious. In late April/early May, we're going to fly to Vegas for a medical convention for hubby, then in August we're flying to FL for convention for me and more medical CE for hubby. We're not cancelling and in fact both trips are paid for and just waiting to happen. I also intend to go to a few horse shows, including Pinto World. The sky isn't going to fall, we're not all going to die tomorrow and some of us, I suspect those who are too stubborn to die, will recuperate and live on. Lord willing and the Devil don't object, I intend to be one of those.

The thing about this that really rips my knickers is, hubby informed me that they have not been able to order the face masks they need at the clinic because the suppliers have shipped them all to China. That's another hoarding thing like the TP issue. Just plain dim.

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post #87 of 979 Old 03-07-2020, 11:57 PM
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I'm with @tinyliny .
For example, due to the widespread panic, there are worries about having shortages of masks.
This means that at my work, people like me who are allergic to the flu shot and normally wear masks to protect patients, are now being told we don't need to wear masks.
So now we are not worried about the flu...?
This is all very illogical and the economical impacts should not be taken lightly.
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post #88 of 979 Old 03-08-2020, 03:31 AM
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I have a feeling the virus is already all over the United States and the only reason we don't know about it is a lack of test kits and a long incubation period.
Yep, I have a feeling... some from what I've read from all of you here, that it's already all over the world. So... good news for Asians that are copping more racism because of it, if every country has it - there are currently Indian(because apparently they look Chinese according to some...) taxi drivers & the likes unable to get work for eg...

Yes, it's a worry for 'compromised' bodies, but the economic effects and the panic strike me as the the most scary. Stock market's taken a plunge, there are already businesses going bust because they can't get supplies or such, or Asian businesses/workers who can't get custom.
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post #89 of 979 Old 03-08-2020, 08:41 AM
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While I agree that precautions need to be taken, and that travel plans, especially to affected destinations, should be questioned, I think panic is worse. People have been watching too many zombie apocalypse shows. I read a great text by a doctor in social media which I think is bang on:

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I'm a doctor and an Infectious Diseases Specialist. I've been at this for more than 20 years seeing sick patients on a daily basis. I have worked in inner city hospitals and in the poorest slums of Africa. HIV-AIDS, Hepatitis,TB, SARS, Measles, Shingles, Whooping cough, Diphtheria...there is little I haven't been exposed to in my profession. And with notable exception of SARS, very little has left me feeling vulnerable, overwhelmed or downright scared.

I am not scared of Covid-19. I am concerned about the implications of a novel infectious agent that has spread the world over and continues to find new footholds in different soil. I am rightly concerned for the welfare of those who are elderly, in frail health or disenfranchised who stand to suffer mostly, and disproportionately, at the hands of this new scourge. But I am not scared of Covid-19.

What I am scared about is the loss of reason and wave of fear that has induced the masses of society into a spellbinding spiral of panic, stockpiling obscene quantities of anything that could fill a bomb shelter adequately in a post-apocalyptic world. I am scared of the N95 masks that are stolen from hospitals and urgent care clinics where they are actually needed for front line healthcare providers and instead are being donned in airports, malls, and coffee lounges, perpetuating even more fear and suspicion of others. I am scared that our hospitals will be overwhelmed with anyone who thinks they " probably don't have it but may as well get checked out no matter what because you just never know..." and those with heart failure, emphysema, pneumonia and strokes will pay the price for overfilled ER waiting rooms with only so many doctors and nurses to assess.

I am scared that travel restrictions will become so far reaching that weddings will be canceled, graduations missed and family reunions will not materialize. And well, even that big party called the Olympic Games...that could be kyboshed too. Can you even
imagine?

I'm scared those same epidemic fears will limit trade, harm partnerships in multiple sectors, business and otherwise and ultimately culminate in a global recession.

But mostly, I'm scared about what message we are telling our kids when faced with a threat. Instead of reason, rationality, openmindedness and altruism, we are telling them to panic, be fearful, suspicious, reactionary and self-interested.

Covid-19 is nowhere near over. It will be coming to a city, a hospital, a friend, even a family member near you at some point. Expect it. Stop waiting to be surprised further. The fact is the virus itself will not likely do much harm when it arrives. But our own behaviors and "fight for yourself above all else" attitude could prove disastrous.

I implore you all. Temper fear with reason, panic with patience and uncertainty with education. We have an opportunity to learn a great deal about health hygiene and limiting the spread of innumerable transmissible diseases in our society. Let's meet this challenge together in the best spirit of compassion for others, patience, and above all, an unfailing effort to seek truth, facts and knowledge as opposed to conjecture, speculation and catastrophizing.

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post #90 of 979 Old 03-08-2020, 08:53 AM
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With China who is unable to produce masks worldwide because many of their factories are down and also provide 80% of the antibiotics to the USA which are needed if pneumonia or bronchitis occurs due to the flu, corona virus or anything else -even in people with healthy immune systems. I’m still figuring out the spin on people are better off with out masks. I wonder what else we don’t know that is causing such precautions that I’m sure are not made lightly. I know someone who had planned a cruise ship next month and the cruise ship had emailed them about volunteering return of their money to postpone their trip. It makes much logical sense to me why precautions are being taken for a virus that is spreading so fast around the world that no one can do much about.
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