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post #161 of 173 Old 05-26-2020, 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by loosie View Post
^& Fuddy, that 'hinged' mask has got to be a joke surely?? it dining in the future!

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post #162 of 173 Old 05-26-2020, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by loosie View Post
That would be hilarious, if it were funny... that you're allowed to carry guns, but they feel wearing a mask makes you... a criminal?? Makes a lot of sense to me...

Your vacation from the news is probably why this is a surprise to you. There are many videos on Youtube of people in the US state of Michigan, and my state of Washington, and several others, who gathered to protest the lock downs, and they arrived to the capitol grounds, some in tactical combat gear, carrying huge assault rifles. dozens of such persons.

Yes, you are allowed to 'open carry' a firearm in certain states. You can just strap it in a holster on your hip, like in the Old West, and go about your day, shopping, taking your kids to school, whatever.

If you wish to carry a hand gun in a concealed manner, you must get a special permit, which is more involved.

I think the joke about the carry a gun AND a bandana is that robbers cover their faces , and then, "Stick 'em up! this is a robbery!" . . . that sort of thing.

I'm not trying to start a discussion on gun rights here, just explain to a 'foreigner' about American gun laws, superficially.
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Yeah tiny, I did hear about people turning up with assault rifles to protest about lockdowns. (Wonder if they are the same who don't believe in disease or reckon god is protecting them - heard a lot in our news about those apparently common American beliefs too..) And I do know that everyone is allowed to own guns in America without license. I didn't know you were allowed to just carry them whenever/wherever you wanted tho.
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post #164 of 173 Old 05-26-2020, 11:45 PM
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no. you are not allowed to carry a gun without some kind of registration and background check. At least that's what I have heard.

I own a couple of guns, but they are like ornaments, family heirlooms. we never fire them, don't even have bullets.

enough about that. We are in danger of hijacking this thread.
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post #165 of 173 Old 05-27-2020, 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by loosie View Post
That would be hilarious, if it were funny... that you're allowed to carry guns, but they feel wearing a mask makes you... a criminal?? Makes a lot of sense to me...
I've really not run into any problems wearing my mask. The idea behind it is, they don't want you concealing your face if you want to go in and shoot the place up or try to knock it over. They have not made wearing a mask law here in OK, so it's more of a highly recommended thing. Here in OK, we don't have to have a permit to carry, regardless of if we carry openly or even concealed. We're what's called a 2A (2nd Amendment, which gives us the right to keep and bear arms) state, thus carrying a gun is our acknowledged Constitutional right. Also have yet to have a masked subject, carrying legally, to create harm of any kind here. Of course the crooks are A) not supposed to carry, period (if a convicted felon) and B) They don't have legally purchased firearms anyhow and C) They don't care if they're legal or not.

***And like Tiny, this is meant strictly to educate our gun laws and how they differ from state to state. Not trying to debate whether I think it's right or not. Back to your regularly scheduled programming.***
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post #166 of 173 Old 05-27-2020, 12:45 AM
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There is a real credibility problem from all of the experts that get air time on COVID-19; everything they have said has been wrong.

With a track record of always being wrong, how do we know that anything we are doing actually does anything at all for the spread of COVID-19.

One of the reasons being presented for NYC having had the worst of it anywhere in the US if not the world is chilling. Because of models (which were wrong by every measure and repeatedly revised and still ... wrong) that said that NYC would need nearly 200,000 hospital beds and ventilators, the state was putting patients in nursing homes to make room. Everything we do know about COVID-19 is that the people who definitely should not have COVID-19 patients living among them are in nursing homes. In reality, NYC needed more like 20,000 hospital beds and in the process turned their nursing homes into death camps for the elderly.

This is how moronic the policies have been. Some judges are literally freeing convicted sex offenders from jail due to COVID-19 and at the same time arresting beauty salon owners and pastors. Every official behind decisions like that should resign in disgrace for being idiots.

Someone please tell me how Walmart and Lowes can still be open, but a family owned grocery or hardware store cannot without massive fines or jail time.

The cold truth is they have no idea what they are doing, and no evidence that those measures actually do anything. Gov. Cuomo himself stated that many of the new COVID-19 cases were from people who had stayed home. They are urinating in the wind and trying to not get their pants wet, that is about how effective it has been.

I agree with all of this except the statement that they don't know what they are doing. I disagree. Now the new thing is more people are getting sick at home. Well duh, that's because they are staying at home. This virus is going to spread no matter what we do. Most will be fine and others will not. 85% of the deaths in MN are in nursing homes. That tells me a lot right here. The vulnerable need to be protected.

Now they want to contact trace and find people in their homes and make sure they are quarantined. If they can't quarantine in home, they will provide a place for them to do so and remove them from the home.

Quoting Dr. Robert Levin, the director of Ventura County, CA Public Health, "For instance, if they live in a home where there is only one bathroom and there are three or four other people living there and those people dont have COVID infection, were not going to be able to keep the person in that home. Every person were isolating, for instance, needs to have their own bathroom. So, well be moving people like this into other kinds of housing that we have available.

Later on it was retracted as mispeaking or misunderstanding. I say back peddling after much backlash on it.

I've pretty much been living my life as usual. I'm still working and seeing my horses and going to the grocery store. About the only thing different is that I keep my distance from people and wash my hands A LOT.

One crew member of 15 got sick with COVID 19 as soon as he got home from a trip. All of the other 14 crewmembers stayed home for 3 weeks in quarantine. They were working with the sick crew member for a full 48 hours in close proximity of each other and this was before masks were being recommended, now everyone is wearing one. No one else contracted the coronavirus as they were tested. Of course they wash their hands often anyway as they are working in a dining car.

I also believe that this virus has been circulating long before the radars were going off. Quite a few people that I know were sick back in late Nov. early Dec. with exact symptoms as being described as Covid 19. of course no test for this were done but a lot of them were tested for influenza and getting negative results on it. Doctors called it unknown virus.

My gut is feeling suspicious right now over this stuff. Hopefully it will change for the better for all.

I watched a video of a nurse who went to NYC to help. She was crying and begging someone to do something. She said that they are killing people through negligence and mishandling, not even treating the patients for Covid 19. I sure hope that video was not really true. But why would someone do that if it were not?

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I really have a hard time when people say they are 'suspicious' about this. That implies malignant intent. While a whole library of mistakes have been made by well meaning, (and some basically disinterested parties), they are mistakes. I doubt ANYONE intentionally created this horrible situation.

To stir the idea of being suspicious of things, just puts people out there looking for the 'cause', and manufacturing it if needed.

At some point in the future, we will look back on our responses with laughter even. We will know then what we don't know now, and it will make us think that these 2020 actions were puny, or foolish, or overblown, or ? But, we are thrashing in the dark , for the most part. That is not something suspicious. It's just doing the best you can with what you have, . . . for now.
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I said suspicious not full blown conspiracy theory going on in my head. Isn't it normal to have questions in your head when not everything is normal as you know it?

Negligence in the health care profession is not anything new so why would it not be blown up in a place where they are being taxed to the limit with this virus right now?

This whole thing has gotten people to talking about the spanish flu so I started reading about that. I came across an article written in 2009 about how they think that some of the symptoms that, at the time, they thought were created by the flu were actually symptoms and deaths from aspirin toxicity. At the time Dr's were prescribing 39 grams of aspirin to a patient sick with this flu. Was there intent to kill? Of course not, but dead is dead.
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post #169 of 173 Old 05-27-2020, 09:38 AM
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I'm not suspicious of the virus itself as far as it being serious. We have a ways to go to find out everything we will eventually know about it, and some things we may never know.

There have been some very suspicious things in the response however.
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post #170 of 173 Old 05-27-2020, 09:46 AM
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@LoriF My approach to the whole conundrum is that I am aware that the doctors don't know everything about this virus, or the immune system in general. But their collective knowledge of the human body and other viruses is much grater than anything I personally could even come close to and they have a better chance of getting it right then I have. They are also winging it - but their "wing" is much bigger than mine.

That doesn't mean I remain in the dark. I have read just about every single peer-reviewed study on this virus. Still, I would most definitely not presume to question the current clinical protocols, because I just don't even come close to knowing enough. I have opted to listen to all recommendations simply to improve my own chances. (Well... almost all. I am not riding with a mask - that's just silly. I nearly waterboarded myself the one time I tried it because it was raining. And I was alone at the yard.)
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