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post #1 of 13 Old 05-22-2020, 01:46 PM Thread Starter
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Covid question

You all are a good group of people, so I thought I'd post mostly non-horse-related question here.

My parents will be driving down from where they live (small town in North Texas) to see my brother in Houston. They plan on stopping to see us on the way. When they first told me about this a couple of weeks ago, I tried to talk them out of it. When they called to confirm they were coming yesterday, I tried again. No luck. They're planning on having lunch with us and then going to see our horses at the barn.

No one in our household is obviously sick, although I had a weird series of symptoms for several weeks, ending last week. Nothing ever severe and I didn't get tested.

My question is, would it be better for their health for them to come have lunch at our house, in a closed environment, with a small number of people? And our germs? Or would it be better to try to go to a restaurant that has outdoor seating and social distancing? It's either close proximity to people who are probably not sick (us) or social distancing, outside, from a larger group of people in unknown health. My mom is in very poor health, and I doubt she could beat the corona virus if she got it.

I'm also considering maybe setting up a picnic lunch out at the barn, since they're going to be there anyway so it's not like they would be coming into contact with any new germs. The place we'd eat is at least 40 feet away from where anyone would be walking. The problem with that idea is that it will probably be hot and muggy.

Does anyone have any thoughts about what is the best option for lunch with them?

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post #2 of 13 Old 05-22-2020, 01:59 PM
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The main issue with this virus is that scientists just donít know much about it. So anyone telling you one thing or another is a certain truth - is being overly confident. I personally would rank your options in the following order: picnics, outdoor restaurants, home. I am in a similar predicament but my mum canít really do picnics due to her age so Iím taking her to a restaurant. Whether I am right is a crapshoot.
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post #3 of 13 Old 05-22-2020, 02:08 PM
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Can you set up a fan at the barn? I'd rank picnic as best for two reasons 1) Outdoors and 2) You can control the food so you know how prepared and would take extra care.

I walked out of a restaurant two weeks ago that I ordered from for pick up. We eat there during lent every year. This year we extended that a bit until I walked in and the woman packaging the orders was coughing, no mask and just continued on. Passed this week and they are closed.
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post #4 of 13 Old 05-22-2020, 02:18 PM
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If it was me, I would invite them to eat at your home, outdoors. They would not be allowed inside your house, they would have to bring their own food and utensils, and they would have to stay at least ten feet away from you at all times if they refuse to wear masks (which it sounds like is quite possible).

Ask them if they want to have a meal like that, and if they don't, to not stop.

In my state, over 6000 people have died, and 4000 of that number are over 80 years old. We are 'flattening' our curve much better than almost any other state except New York, because we by and large have embraced the rules. But we have a long way to go.

Your parents have made an extremely foolish decision and they want you to participate in it.

I myself don't plan on going into a restaurant in the foreseeable future. The latest studies show that infection is mainly through airborne exhaled water vapor carrying the virus, and that duration of contact (as in sitting in a restaurant for several hours), and the virus load in the air (as in indoor spaces where air is circulating much more slowly than outdoors) are some of the biggest factors. Texas didn't have good trend lines when they decided to "open things up", so there is no question things will get worse there.

Please stay safe and don't let your parents' poor judgement influence yours.
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I would choose to eat outdoors - whether that is at your own home or at the barn. In reality, I would probably not have lunch with them at all.

I have seen my parents through all this, but they also live 10 minutes away from me. We planted the garden together last week, but in general have maintained our distance. We have not had any family dinners/gatherings since this all started.
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I thought about doing it outside at our place, but we have fairly bad mosquitoes. The barn has plenty of flies, but not in the area we'd be eating, and no mosquitoes.

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post #7 of 13 Old 05-22-2020, 03:27 PM
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As Horsef says, no one really knows about this blasted virus.

My neighbour, a nurse working with Covid positive patients told me yesterday that a patient in another ward tested positive. All staff and other patients were immediately tested.

15 of those tested proved to be positive yet none showed symptoms.

In retrospect I am wondering if I actually had some months back, before it all hit the fan. Said neighbour had a heavy cold and I also went down with it. I had little sense of smell or taste - who does with a bad cold?

I also had a headache bad enough for me to take pain killers several times over a couple of days. Thismwas the first time in twenty plus years I have had a cold. The moment I feel one coming I take my herbs and that normally kicks it into touch. I was taking these and although they eased my breathing it still loitered, as did neighbour's.

Did I have the dreaded Covid 19? Who knows unless I can get tested and they are only testing those with symptoms.

So it really is a sneaky disease.

Neighbour has told me that they have had several deaths but all those that have passed all had undermining health issues as well as age.

What you do with your parents is for all of you to decide. Outside sounds better but even that isn't really safe but then again so is meeting with anyone or touching something an unknowing positive has touched.

Life sure is a risk at the moment.
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post #8 of 13 Old 05-22-2020, 05:17 PM
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To us (66&68yo) it's a weird phenomenon.
Last week I had my annual Doctor's check up. It was great since it was virtual. We don't have a computer so I used my cell phone (which I'm using now). I first had to download an app..."Privia"...then I spoke with a receptionist who said "just hold on, Dr. Williams will be with you shortly".
With phone in shirt pocket an hour and a half later I heard his voice, which gave me time to clean horse stalls and change oil in my truck & two mowers. I could see his forehead and top of glasses as he was typing away.
To me it was a waste of time, although he did prescribe Doxycycline based on my description of a lone star tick so imbedded I had to use vice grips. We tried a prostate exam which was a fiasco.
What's so bizarre is we go to the grocery store or Walmart and they're packed, the few people with masks have on the wrong type, or it's on upside down, their nose sticking out or using a folded bandana looking like they're bank robbers. Some when they talk looks like a sock puppet mouth. Social distancing means nothing.
Strange how grocery, hardware, home improvement stores are open and packed.
You can buy a 2x4 or whiskey but you can't sit down in a restaurant. As of today by executive order Trump is opening churches.

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If it helps anyone, Serbia (where I live) has been mostly up and running since 6th of May and the numbers kept going down regardless. They opened everything except for schools and public gatherings over 50 gradually and it seems like the epidemic is subsiding regardless. Social distancing is spotty - people arenít really made to live like that but most of us are trying (and failing more often than not). This virus is really mysterious and intriguing. Looking around me, I have no idea why our numbers havenít exploded. We are testing extensively and doing contract tracing and isolation of positive patients - but still. People are going about their lives and yet the rates are going down. Really confusing.
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post #10 of 13 Old 05-22-2020, 05:52 PM
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As others have said, outdoor visiting is the best. I believe the risk is VERY low, even without masks, if you sit some distance apart out in the open.

I have visited my elderly parents in this manner several times. They are fine.

I hope you have a wonderful visit, outdoors, under the glorious sky! and , if you can't hug you mother, or father, ask your mother to hug your father FOR you, and the converse. It's very cute.


all the best, to you all.
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