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Sounds good on the frogs.
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If the sulcii are closed 'butt cracks' as it appears hers are, this is *potentially*(not nec) a problem. There shouldn't be a crack. Regardless of dry environment thrush can still happen. While sudden big environmental changes could be the reason(going from waterlogged to hard & dry), I'd suspect thrush because of the crack. Even if it's been completely dry where you are, the sides of the frog near the heel that are covered and the central sulcii being closed would provide for enough moisture for bugs to thrive. If there's white crumbly type material or black goop, this is likely necrotic material left over from thrush. But I would just go ahead and treat those feet, to be sure. Spraying them with t-tree oil(diluted) or something else broad spectrum but non-necrotising would be my choice.[/quote]
Just plain tea tree that I dilute- don;t bother with any horse specific products? Lets make it easy- tell me what you like, and I will go look for it or similar. :)



[/quote]Yeah, if that's week 9, she seems to be 'self trimming' adequately & that's great. But most horses even if they do self trim enough, get a bit imbalanced & need regular maintenance to stay in shape. It is a good idea to have feet trimmed regularly enough to *maintain* the form, rather than allowing them to overgrow too much before 'correcting'. So nippers 'shouldn't' be necessary at all for a regular trim, just rasp & knife. Of course, the 'real world' does have a habit of getting in the way of carefully laid plans tho!

So... I think they look a bit overdue for a 'touch up' but obviously there is little to do. I would keep the outer walls rolled more frequently to prevent the chipping, pare the daggy bits of frog and keep the bars shorter than that - to just about sole level. In addition, I might keep the fronts bevelled/backed up a little more & 'scoop' the quarters a tad - hard to tell with that angle. I'd not generally pare any of that flaky looking sole, but leave it for extra protection - tho it looks like it'll probably fall out soon anyway. Your farrier may be willing to show you how to 'brush up' in between his visits, to keep them a little neater. BTW, might be just the pic but her walls do look thin, which is likely a nutritional thing. [/quote]

Its that lack of not much to do, I think that makes the farrier only want to come out every 10-12 weeks. How would I go about scooping the quarters? Should I? I have only a rasp, and honestly, am not so great at it, beyond filing away chips, by my husband can get in there with it a bit stronger than I.
Yes, I didn't know until the farrier told me, but she does have thin walls. She has been on Gran Hoof for about a month now, and I just ordered them a multi-vite also. I assume the Gran Hoof will hopefully go far in fixing this? Though I do understand that it will certainly take time, months, etc for it to start showing it works. Diet- they get orchard, alfalfa, and oat hay, along with what's left and drying up in the fields, and a bit of wet COB/whole oats mixed to get the supplement.

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No, flares aren't just 'her hoof shape', they are indicative of mechanical &/or metabolic problems causing the hoof walls to 'give out' under pressure. Yes, you can change hoof shape & get them in healthy form again(that is, take care of the mechanics) *generally* - there are some exceptions - whether minor or major deformation is present. You can definitely address things like flaring, & pretty quickly too. I wouldn't consider flares to be 'benign' either as a rule, because if left unmanaged, they will become more problematic. Some probs do need to be handled/changed very gradually with 'little & often' trimming, but it doesn't appear anything major is going on with her(based only on a few pics of course). Yes, her bars are a little 'folded over' by the look of things. Not hugely, but I would want to keep them shorter, about sole level, considering hard, rocky terrain. [/quote]

I will have the farrier come out in the next week or so and get her hooves cleaned up. :) And I will be sure to ask after her flaring and her bars.
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You might get a better idea of what can/should be done for optimum hoof form looking at Mayfield Barehoof Care Centre Home Page & the case studies - be prepared to be shocked if you haven't seen chronic/very severe probs rehabbed! Other good sites to learn from include hoofrehab.com & barefoothorse.com[/QUOTE]

I have seen the barefoothorse.com, not the other site, I will go check it out, thank you!
And also thank you for all of your comments and help!
(** I hope my attempt to multi-quote worked! If it didn't I am sorry, as I am sure it will be very messy!)
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Just plain tea tree
Yes, t-tree, or eucalyptus oil is another supposed to be on par for antiseptic qualities that doesn't harm live tissue.

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Its that lack of not much to do, I think that makes the farrier only want to come out every 10-12 weeks. How would I go about scooping the quarters? Should I? I have only a rasp, and honestly, am not so great at it, beyond filing away chips, by my husband can get in there with it a bit stronger than I.
Probably more about the farrier expecting clients to be unhappy with him not doing much - he should be happy to be called out more often for easier jobs! But you may not need him more often, if you're willing to do it yourself. While it's not rocket science, I would advise learning the theory & principles for yourself first though at least, as there's no 'recipe' to follow. The specifics are very subjective & there are generally many exceptions to any 'rule'. Not to mention there are different theories & approaches & I don't advise you just take my - or anyone else's - advice blindly.

That said, with regard to wall height above sole, as a rule, the 'recipe' is balancing according to the (live) sole plane - so if you look at it, you will likely find the sole at the quarters is a bit receded compared to the heels & toes, especially in back feet. The quarters should be approx sole level(on hard footing) like the rest of the foot, so 'scooping' quarters just means doing this if/as necessary according to what the sole 'tells' you.

Oh & re your husband's strength, it's best not to put any force behind the rasp, but let it do the work for you.

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She has been on Gran Hoof for about a month now, and I just ordered them a multi-vite also. I assume the Gran Hoof will hopefully go far in fixing this? Though I do understand that it will certainly take time, months, etc for it to start showing it works. Diet- they get orchard, alfalfa, and oat hay, along with what's left and drying up in the fields, and a bit of wet COB/whole oats mixed to get the supplement.
Guessing you mean Grand Hoof? I don't know that product specifically, I am not a nutritionist and it will also depend on what she's getting in her diet as to what needs to be supp'd to balance it. So a diet analysis is best. I personally use - & highly recommend - FeedXL Horse Nutrition: The D.I.Y. equine diet planner & have found that (good quality) 'complete' supplements tends to balance nutrition better than hoof-specific ones. Re diet, 'COB' is corn, oats & barley? If so, I'd ditch that(corn is super high in starch) & would also avoid the oats unless there was a particular need.

Some info I've found helpful; [COLOR=Lime][B]www.horseforum.com/horse-health/hoof-lameness-info-horse-owners-89836/
For taking critique pics; [COLOR=Lime][B]https://www.horseforum.com/members/41...res-128437.jpg
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