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post #1 of 75 Old 11-22-2019, 02:54 PM Thread Starter
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Canker? Or whatís going on?

Iíve posted a few times about my geldings thrush. Itís been an issue since late June since we got him. Our year has been super super wet. Iíve treated with hooflex, thrush buster and recently white lightning. Iíve soaked using a diaper, ziploc bags and just got some soaking boots in. I was cleaning his feet every day. Recently not as much, I got so busy as the Christmas season eats up all my time (Iím an artist so Iím fulfilling a lot of Christmas orders).

Heís trimmed every 4-6 weeks. He has contracted heels from years of being shooed incorrectly but they ARE getting better. Sent farrier the attached photos the other day and she said sheís never seen a hoof that looks like this. Sheís sent the photos to farriers more experienced than she is.

Vet has been out twice to look at his feet. Last time was yesterday. I asked about canker but vet had never seen canker before. Neither had the tech. He did not like the look of his hooves and was kind of stumped about the way they look but didnít have too much advice to offer. He said just keep them as clean as possible and maybe try betadine.

Farrier is coming for trims tonight and we will soak again.

Was hoping someone in here has any more to offer. Winters here are super wet so I feel like this is such an uphill battle.

Photos from this week are attached. These are his back feet which are especially bad. I know they arenít great. I was by myself and it was getting dark.
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In my opinion (no experience with canker though), this "just" looks like a hoof that has been wet for too long. And is battling thrush.
My mare's feet used to look like that when all the pastures were flooded for weeks

Are you worried about the strange looking lump at the switchback? Could that be overlaid and crushed bar?
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In my opinion (no experience with canker though), this "just" looks like a hoof that has been wet for too long. And is battling thrush.
My mare's feet used to look like that when all the pastures were flooded for weeks <img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://www.horseforum.com/images/smilies/icon_cry.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Crying or Very sad" class="inlineimg" />

Are you worried about the strange looking lump at the switchback? Could that be overlaid and crushed bar?
@SwissMiss that, and also his frogs. They have weird bits hanging off. Farrier did she that could just be normal debris.

Since moisture is likely going to be an issue All. Winter. Long. Would some sort of shoe or boot benefit him?
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The frogs look like they have been thrushy for a while...

Boots will not likely keep the moisture out, and actually perpetuate the problem if worn all day long.
Stalling/keeping the horse on dry ground overnight was often suggested (not feasible for me) to let the hooves dry out.
In very wet conditions I had pretty good success with no thrush powder to help things along...
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The frogs look like they have been thrushy for a while...

Boots will not likely keep the moisture out, and actually perpetuate the problem if worn all day long.
Stalling/keeping the horse on dry ground overnight was often suggested (not feasible for me) to let the hooves dry out.
In very wet conditions I had pretty good success with no thrush powder to help things along...
Yeah he’s had it since we bought him. So minimum 5 months, and who knows how long before that.
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Well farrier just left. Been a busy week for the horses haha.

She’s certain he doesn’t have canker just really really bad thrush. She scalped him to make sure we get lots of exposure during soaking and helped me soak him. Normally she’s more conservative during trims. This was her fourth time trimming him, and she decided to be more aggressive. She suggested we try painting him with hoof armor to help with the moisture barrier and just be really aggressive with the soaking and picking out daily.

So I’m just gonna keep at it and cross my fingers.
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1. Another no to canker, yes to bad thrush.

2. What did you soak with?

3. Whatever your daily life routine is, plan on getting less rest as the hooves will need micro-managed until that stuff clears up:)

4. Does he have any sort of building he can be put in for a few hours daily (or night) to let his hooves have a chance to dry out and for the meds to work?

5. Agree boots will make matters worse, in terms of holding moisture. They would have to come off part of the day and be washed out anyway:)

5.1 There isn't much of anything that will stay in the hoof for any period of time, if the horse is in wet or mud 24/7. If the Hoof Armor doesn't work, you might buy the cow mastitis treatment "ToMorrow" and some 40% zinc oxide diaper rash paste. Shoot the ToMorrow into the central sulci & collateral grooves, then pack the diaper rash paste on top. Repeat once daily and clean those areas good before reapplying meds:)

6. Are you able to get sole shots of the fresh trim and post?

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I forgot about Hoof Armor!
The manufacturer claims that it is antimicrobial and helps with thrush treatment as well.
I actually contacted them to dig a little deeper. While my mare's thrush is almost gone, there is always a little deep pocket somewhere that springs up when I let my guard down. So I asked about using Hoof Armor to help things heal up. The problem: it basically seals the hoof, which great for moisture management, but also the perfect environment for anaerobic stuff (aka thrush) to grow. So if you suspect that your thrush is deeper than just a few mm, or WLD higher up, then it is supposedly better to wait until thrush is either gone completely or more superficial...

If you need more information, contact them directly. They are very helpful and are not trying to sell you stuff "just because".

Unfortunately @walkinthewalk is right with this:
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3. Whatever your daily life routine is, plan on getting less rest as the hooves will need micro-managed until that stuff clears up:)
Good luck!
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2. What did you soak with?

White lightning

3. Whatever your daily life routine is, plan on getting less rest as the hooves will need micro-managed until that stuff clears up:)

Ugh ugh ugh. We are also on foal watch on top of me working three jobs &#x1f62c;

4. Does he have any sort of building he can be put in for a few hours daily (or night) to let his hooves have a chance to dry out and for the meds to work?

We do have a stall! I only use it for emergencies because it’s not as big as I’d like, but can definitely do a few hours a day. Thank you for suggesting it!

5. Agree boots will make matters worse, in terms of holding moisture. They would have to come off part of the day and be washed out anyway:)

5.1 There isn't much of anything that will stay in the hoof for any period of time, if the horse is in wet or mud 24/7. If the Hoof Armor doesn't work, you might buy the cow mastitis treatment "ToMorrow" and some 40% zinc oxide diaper rash paste. Shoot the ToMorrow into the central sulci & collateral grooves, then pack the diaper rash paste on top. Repeat once daily and clean those areas good before reapplying meds:)

6. Are you able to get sole shots of the fresh trim and post?

Farrier took lots of photos today. I’ll ask for them!
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I forgot about Hoof Armor!
The manufacturer claims that it is antimicrobial and helps with thrush treatment as well.
I actually contacted them to dig a little deeper. While my mare's thrush is almost gone, there is always a little deep pocket somewhere that springs up when I let my guard down. So I asked about using Hoof Armor to help things heal up. The problem: it basically seals the hoof, which great for moisture management, but also the perfect environment for anaerobic stuff (aka thrush) to grow. So if you suspect that your thrush is deeper than just a few mm, or WLD higher up, then it is supposedly better to wait until thrush is either gone completely or more superficial...

If you need more information, contact them directly. They are very helpful and are not trying to sell you stuff "just because".

Unfortunately @walkinthewalk is right with this:
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3. Whatever your daily life routine is, plan on getting less rest as the hooves will need micro-managed until that stuff clears up:)
Good luck!
Thank you, that’s very good to know!
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