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post #11 of 75 Old 11-22-2019, 11:29 PM Thread Starter
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Here’s some photos. They are scary to see. I will preface this with the fact that she said she would normally never scalp a horse like this, we are being extreme to try to get this under control. *gulp*
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post #12 of 75 Old 11-23-2019, 06:41 AM
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1. I see some Whiteline starting (WLD) on the tips of the toes in the next-to-the-last two pics. Those may be the rear hooves?

You need to get on those hooves and stay on them "yesterday" :). I say that with a sense of urgency not with a tone of "go to the woodshed" :):)

2. Is your horse at home or is it standing at a boarding facility? You didn't say if the horse can get into a dry area but, with thrush in four hooves, it needs to be in a dry area for awhile every day.

Is it possible someone could at least stand him on the area where he has been trimmed for at least an hour after applying meds?

3. Order this White Lightning Gel. https://www.centaurforge.com/Grand-C...fo/WHLIGHTGEL/

It's cheaper at Valley Vet ($19 for 2ounces). Still not cheap but neither is a lame horse if that stuff doesn't get under control:)

Read this web page carefully:). This stuff works but it needs some mud-free time to work.

3.1. Use a 1/2" paint brush to apply - Walmart likely has them in their craft dept. I use my old brushes that come with Keretex. A little goes a long way.

Be sure to also paint those toe cracks with the gel.

4. I know $19 and change is a lot for two ounces of something but we get what we pay for, in excessive circumstances like yours:). It is still cheaper and much less painful than the horse going lame, calling a vet, and the vet will tell you to spend money on meds anyway -- and probably nothing more than Koppertox which isn't worth the powder to blow it, IM?hO:)

The horse has to be kept out of the mud, somehow-some way, to give those hooves a chance to heal up. Once they are healed, I would still put something on them 2X/week since the ground conditions are not ideal :)
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Another thought: You will be soaking those feet in white lightning quite often, which will cost a pretty penny after a while. Oxine AH is basically the same (you activate it with vinegar), but you get a gallon for the same price
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post #14 of 75 Old 11-23-2019, 09:34 AM Thread Starter
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Another thought: You will be soaking those feet in white lightning quite often, which will cost a pretty penny after a while. Oxine AH is basically the same (you activate it with vinegar), but you get a gallon for the same price <img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://www.horseforum.com/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Wink" class="inlineimg" />
That’s actually what I’m using. Just easier to say white lightning lol.

When I soak him I bring him under our car port. It’s been taking me two hours every evening to clean, wash, dry and soak two hooves. So he’s on dry ground for at least that.

We have a stall as well mentioned above. It’s not ideal size wise for him but it’ll do for a few hours every day.
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post #15 of 75 Old 11-23-2019, 09:49 AM Thread Starter
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@walkinthewalk been reading that link. I can order the gel but I don’t think I can cover his hooves for 6-8 hours a day. Will it be effective if he’s stalled some hours with the gel on after soaking?
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post #16 of 75 Old 11-23-2019, 09:57 AM
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Around 2003, my older horse got a stubborn case of thrush that I simply could not get rid of. I tried all kinds of remedies, but nothing worked. He didn't stand in wet ground, ever. He had a nice dry roomy stall. But he did have the beginnings of Cushings, which caused him to have more health issues and slower healing.

Just when I was at my wits end, an article came out in Equus magazine about treating stubborn thrush. I was to mix scarlet oil, betadine, methylene blue, and formaldehyde into a solution, then pack it into the hooves with cotton. It cleared it up in no time, and I was delighted. Methylene blue and formaldehyde were very expensive. The whole business cost me about $200, but it was so worth it. AND I had piles and piles of extra chemicals to share with someone else who was struggling with thrush. I offered to mix up the correct amounts for my farrier to recommend and sell it, but he laughed at me and scoffed. So I still have it (though who knows if chemicals that old are any good).

I looked online to find that old Equus recommendation when my neighbor was struggling with a horse with bad thrush, but I couldn't find it anywhere. I did not contact Equus or go any further with it because my neighbor had 100% success with that ToMorrow for cows. I have no idea how many drops of which chemical to use. I know the methylene blue was only a few drops. When I looked online, several articles suggested that those chemicals were not safe to use on horses, and no articles about how much to use.

I would imagine if you contacted Equus and asked them to help you find articles around 2002-2004, they could help you find it. It didn't damage my thrush footed horse at all, and it cleared it right up.
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Let me preface this with I do not have the knowledge others here do. My mare got slightly thrushy twice when it rained for months. I had boots for her anyway, and I lined them with sanitary napkins poured thrush medicine on them, and stalled her every night like that.
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Let me preface this with I do not have the knowledge others here do. My mare got slightly thrushy twice when it rained for months. I had boots for her anyway, and I lined them with sanitary napkins poured thrush medicine on them, and stalled her every night like that.
Holy Crow - lining the boots with sanitary napkins is stellar!. I never thought of that

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@walkinthewalk been reading that link. I can order the gel but I donít think I can cover his hooves for 6-8 hours a day. Will it be effective if heís stalled some hours with the gel on after soaking?
Yes, a couple of hours should be fine:)

Joker has toe cracks from ongoing founder issues. I clean his hooves and put the gel on before I clean him up for turnout. That gives him about 40 minutes of standing on mats, which is good enough for his issue.

I am very fortunate that I don't deal with mud like many folks, however. We sit high with great natural drainage, plus I had gutters & downspouts put on the barn so when we do get frog strangling rains, it all drains away from the barn:)

Hopefully the White Lightning Gel will work and cut your maintenance time down.

If you don't see success with the gel, then try the ToMorrow (squirt in until it starts to overflow), pack with 40% zinc oxide diaper rash cream (WalMart's Equate is cheap), and shove some cotton in there, if it will stay. With this method, you'd be cleaning the hooves once daily, so the cotton wouldn't have time to collect bacteria/fungus if it did manage to stay in:)

Also, were it me, I'm not so sure I would soak his hooves more than once a week, if that as it might end up being counter-productive:)
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Let me preface this with I do not have the knowledge others here do. My mare got slightly thrushy twice when it rained for months. I had boots for her anyway, and I lined them with sanitary napkins poured thrush medicine on them, and stalled her every night like that.
Holy Crow - lining the boots with sanitary napkins is stellar!. I never thought of that <img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://www.horseforum.com/images/smilies/bowwdown.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Bowwdown" class="inlineimg" /><img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://www.horseforum.com/images/smilies/bowwdown.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Bowwdown" class="inlineimg" />

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@walkinthewalk been reading that link. I can order the gel but I don’t think I can cover his hooves for 6-8 hours a day. Will it be effective if he’s stalled some hours with the gel on after soaking?
Yes, a couple of hours should be fine:)

Joker has toe cracks from ongoing founder issues. I clean his hooves and put the gel on before I clean him up for turnout. That gives him about 40 minutes of standing on mats, which is good enough for his issue.

I am very fortunate that I don't deal with mud like many folks, however. We sit high with great natural drainage, plus I had gutters & downspouts put on the barn so when we do get frog strangling rains, it all drains away from the barn:)

Hopefully the White Lightning Gel will work and cut your maintenance time down.

If you don't see success with the gel, then try the ToMorrow (squirt in until it starts to overflow), pack with 40% zinc oxide diaper rash cream (WalMart's Equate is cheap), and shove some cotton in there, if it will stay. With this method, you'd be cleaning the hooves once daily, so the cotton wouldn't have time to collect bacteria/fungus if it did manage to stay in:)

Also, were it me, I'm not so sure I would soak his hooves more than once a week, if that as it might end up being counter-productive:)
Thank you, things to consider. They recommend 2-3 times per week so I’m not sure. *scratches head*
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I'm a Facebook group about hoof rehab that advocates ensuring a balance of copper, zinc, and iron to grow a healthier hoof and help prevent chronic thrush and white line. (Other things too, but those are the main part of the puzzle.) As I don't own my own horse right now, I can't put any of that to the test myself, but I know a lot of members on there have seen huge improvements by ensuring those are all met and balanced in the diet. Not enough of any of those, or too much iron to zinc ratio, etc., can mess up feet in a way that topical treatments are only a band-aid for. Link about it here (NOT a Facebook link):

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