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post #1 of 16 Old 08-03-2020, 05:21 PM Thread Starter
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Frog trimming?

My new trimmer does not trim frogs. I asked her about this. She said if there is a major flap or hole or something she will trim, but otherwise not. She believes that trimming interferes with the proper functioning of the frog. She also said it can make a horse "frog sore."

What do you guys think about trimming the frog? I feel like their frogs are always really ratty now, and I end up having to clip off bits myself, because they do get flaps and whatnot.

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post #2 of 16 Old 08-03-2020, 05:27 PM
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I kind of like it when the farrier leaves the frog. Major flaps can be cut, but minor flaps aren't really a big deal, unless you live in a really wet, muddy area. That can trap bacteria. Otherwise, I don't think it hurts anything. I'd rather have slightly flappy frog that is thick and strong than a "clean" frog that is thin and weak. I do think that many farriers tend to go "knife-happy" over the frog (and the sole, but that's a different topic).
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She is correct. So many farriers have been taught to just carve up a healthy frog, cut the calloused outer layer off. Not only is this akin to cutting the calloused layer of your soles - & lets see you walk comfortably after that! - but it also leaves the foot more open to infection. Just like sole material, while sometimes it does indeed need trimming, as a rule, leave it be!
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I leave the frogs and soles alone, unless I'm digging out a rock; which I've never done on the frog.
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I think there is a happy, healthy medium needed when trimming the frog as is true of the sole.
To "tidy" is far different that to scalp..
And any farrier who scalps and sores should be walloped!!
But to not tidy so debris is not trapped, flaps not snag and tear is wrong too.
Here where it is rainy season and feet grow fast and furious on my guys my farrier does tidy those frogs...
He left them one time cause I asked...raised his eyebrows at me and said OK but you won't like what you will be dealing with with your guys in a short period of time...
I had pieces dangling, catching roots and harsh grasses, debris caught and embedding under those flaps...and more importantly where dead tissue was was the breeding ground for thrush...here to easy to get and hard to get rid of.
With the rains also come softer feet and that includes underside of the hoof on mine, so tidying prevents injury of rips and tear of flaps overlong waiting for "the shed"..
So, we trim back conservatively and tidy the frog, leaving as much as we can but not creating a host environment not healthy either for rips/tears and injured foot to occur nor "disease" to get a host location and if now a tear does occur the "in" to set up house...no thanks.
But I also don't want a carved pointed frog with no protection of the foot either...
A happy medium is needed...sounds similar to the 3 bears fairy-tale.
When I see ratty frogs I look at the farrier and give them "the eye" too... a healthy happy medium please.
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Thanks, I appreciate all of the replies. This new trimmer has trimmed them three times, and two of those times at least one of them was sore afterwards. So I have a hard time taking her word for things.
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Thanks, I appreciate all of the replies. This new trimmer has trimmed them three times, and two of those times at least one of them was sore afterwards. So I have a hard time taking her word for things.
They should NEVER be sore after a trim. Big red flag if sore after being trimmed, something is wrong with the trim.
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Thanks, I appreciate all of the replies. This new trimmer has trimmed them three times, and two of those times at least one of them was sore afterwards. So I have a hard time taking her word for things.
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They should NEVER be sore after a trim. Big red flag if sore after being trimmed, something is wrong with the trim.
Holy cow....
After the trim they should walk off better than they arrived since now the feet have just had appropriate corrections done to angles and growth..
Rambo is right...something is wrong!

You might be in need of a different farrier...
I'm old school...you can take the "trimmer" theory just so far with me.
A farrier can trim a horses foot so they not wear shoes of any type, and can when needed/required/appropriate put a shoe to that foot.
A trimmer trims...some better than others it sound like too in your case. They don't shoe...a art in itself!

I think your gut is telling you something....find a new "someone" to work on your horses.
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The thing is, she was open to my suggestion last time that she not trim them so short. So none of them were sore afterwards. This time I guess I thought she'd remember and not trim short again, but she didn't (remember).

I just had such a hard time finding a trimmer I liked. I loved the last one, but she got pregnant and moved back to Germany. She recommended this new lady to me, but I'm not exactly in love with her, as you can tell. Next time I will remember to tell her to not trim them so short, and we'll see. If they are still sore even so, I guess I will be looking for a new trimmer.

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This is the 3rd time she has handled their feet...
You have them done pretty often too don't you?


She would be headed out the door and you should not have to remind her...
If she trims that short she is doing something wrong, period.
You don't have farriers at that barn?
Farriers can trim too...skilled is what you need.
Do you see the shod horses walking off sore or lame that day or for the next few days post farrier work done?
I might be speaking with someone...if it was me already would of dialed the phone or texted making inquiries.
I have "0" tolerance for soring my horses when you've been doing them several times...
Should not of happened the first time either!

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