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post #1 of 17 Old 08-11-2020, 07:22 AM Thread Starter
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Honey for WLD?

I have some Manuka honey that's sitting around not being used, and some WLD that's not getting better. I was thinking about trying the honey in the WLD. Has anyone ever tried this? My biggest concern is ants -- there are tons of ant hills in their pasture, and I'm wondering if ants would go after the honey and bite him.

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I'm assuming WLD is white line disease? How would you keep the honey on? With a boot?

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White Line Disease, which according to some people is the same as seedy toe, but others say not quite.

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I wouldn't put anything on the foot that traps moisture, as that's a causative factor.
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Honey, I have read, contain small trace amounts of hydrogen peroxide. That's why the honey doesn't mold, I've read. Loosie talks about using it frequently.


I would think if it's only on the bottom of the hooves, there would be no problem.


If there is an infection though, the very very deepest parts must be treated, otherwise it will just continue eating away. It must be controlled at least to the degree that the wall is growing down faster than the infection is traveling up.


Just like a seedy toe which is more or less advanced WLD (white line disease).

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I tried a similar product which was marketed towards broodmares who spent most of their lives turned out without much daily hoof care- it was a clay substance that was primarily manuka honey. Like @Avna said, keeping it on was impossible. It was explicitly marketed for horses in a wet climate, and I got it when I was having thrush issues in the middle of winter from snow melt/freeze/slush cycles. I would put it on and not even an hour later there was no evidence of it at all, even though the company stood by their claim that it would last for over a week between applications, and had been tested on horses in mud and boggy conditions in England. So I'm pretty skeptical that anything topical will really stay on without some sort of covering for a horse that is in a full turn out situation.



Would the manuka honey actually help? I think probably, if you can keep it on there.
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WLD, aka seedy toe is the same organism and nasty, nasty in the destruction of the hoof it does left untreated.
The widening/separation of hoof wall from hoof sole allows a location for bacteria and fungus to get in and ...well, you're learning what it can do.
It is very difficult to get under control, stop and defeat it spreading like a wildfire inside the hoof structure where you not see it.
No hoof no horse...would not have me playing games with this, period.
Google some pictures if you want to see what can happen not treating immediately and aggressively...gross and loss of your horse for a year if not death can happen left to go wild. Yes, this can be that serious!

Honey may work, but why would you risk it not..
Time is of the essence in getting this under control and killed.
The "germ" for a name we can understand lives in the sand/dirt and only needs a opportunity to get inside the hoof to live, thrive and create destruction.

If your horse has been diagnosed with WLD...
Grand Circuit manufactures a product called White Lightning comes in several variations, but if you have this known inside your hoof then I would be treating with everything they got...
Hoof soak and use a second boot to fumigate as directed for best results...
The gel applied sparingly and more like you would thrush medication if you did preventative applications but if you are diagnosed with, you are beyond playing games and need confirmed treatment results to save your horse from further damages.
The only other product I've heard good things about is CleanTrax, similar in it is a hoof soak product also..

If you use White Lightning, go to their website and read before you do the treatment as many good tips are given that can make the product not just good but great in results.
I would also suggest you not just treat your one horse...do them all.
It takes time to do this to soak and fumigate but if you have the product made, why "waste" it and it can't hurt but benefit proactive...
This is like a hidden time-bomb not found till damage is done...
Many stores do not carry White Lightning so expect to need to buy online and have shipped..
https://thehorse.com/129797/white-li...and-treatment/
https://www.grandcircuitinc.com/
I myself have used White Lightning and can vouch for it works.
It killed the organisms quickly and effectively allowing my horses hoof to regain its health again..
I purchased 2 HD soaking boots and soaking product and the gel application stuff and I also purchased Clean Trax for fear my horse would not respond to WL...
So now I have soaking boots I've used for other issues on hand and a ready stand-by supply of soaking products in case this ever returns or suspected return occurs there is not a wait time to start treatment.

Personally, I would save the honey for something like a visibly seen injury of laceration or such that just won't heal as it is said that honey works magic...
I think Avna used it for one of her horses and had great results...
I'll "call" her too for her input about it.... @Avna
The decision what to use or do for known WLD present is yours to make and your horse to live by and with.
Good luck.
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The old standby of ThrushBuster is very penetrating. I've seen it follow very tight crack lines. Don't know how but it does.


I try to keep a spare bottle in case I run out.


Oxine as a little less expensive than white lightening and is recommended by Ramey.
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@horselovinguy I have been using White Lightning (the gel, not the soak) and coppertox. When I used White Lightning the crack didn't get any better but it didn't get any worse. I switched to coppertox and it got worse. Maybe I'll try Thrushbuster like @Hondo suggested -- I have some of that sitting around also.

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Before you do that AC go the website and read the information..
I'm pretty sure I saw on it to not cross products as it will stop the working of WL from doing its job.
I don't think it had anything to do with buying their product or not..but is how the compounds and chemicals indeed work or not.


I stopped using Coppertox probably close to 25 years ago when I was told by my vet at the time it is known to kill all tissue, good and bad and because of that a product to do good is now not.
Formaldehyde sticks in my head about part of why...
Coppertox has been around so long I don't know if the product has ever been updated in formula.

Thrushbuster I've been told kills the bad tissue and leaves alone the good.
Now, to me how the heck a product knows this is good and that is bad is beyond me honestly.

I believe my farrier when he says don't use this, do use that.
He has the highest credentials of a working farrier earned and has won many accreditation and competitions he not only competes in he also judges them.
He's been to university for several degrees in associated fields of study...
He is a instructor of certain kinds of farrier work, actual farrier schools he is a "guest lecturer" at and he does therapeutic work I know.
I truly lucked out when I bought a horse from someone and this farrier came along as he was in the process of treating a ailment...
I liked him and his work so asked if he would be my farrier and he agreed.
He is who told me White Lightning or Clean Trax to use and follow the directions carefully for results you want...read the website of WL before opening the solution bottle and he meant it.
It is he who caught my horses WLD at onset and said no fooling around, this stuff is serious if gets going.
Bottom line is I trust him and his judgement, period.
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