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post #21 of 84 Old 01-21-2014, 04:48 PM
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Not the best picture to go off of, but it does look like he has a flared toe as well as some excess/underrun heels. Just because the owners are trimmers doesn't mean his feet will be perfect, or what they say about them is the end all be all. Second opinions are always welcome!

As for the radiographs, for all 4, my vet runs me $120. But my vet is pretty cheap(nothing to say about his care as he is amazing!) But it should help give you an idea. If he hasn't had his feet x-rayed, I'd go ahead and get it done. It wouldn't hurt anything besides your wallet and will give you a better idea of what's going on inside. And you may just find something that needs to be taken into account when trimming.

Pictures would be a great help. Like I said, we could give you a second opinion on his feet. And we're free.
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I can understand the logic behind the trimmer wanting X-rays but that is generally not something trimmers ask for unless the horse has foundered in the past or, you know he has had hoof damage from an accident.

Did you get a pre-purchase exam? If so, I would call that vet and ask their opinion on the necessity of x-rays.

I have a feeling x-rays are pretty costly in Massachusetts. I would think a bit on that expense - lol

The only thing I see it doing at this point is give you baseline. I have a horse with a Less-than-grade-1 club hoof who has never been x-rayed in the 17+ years he's been with me and I still don't see a need for it.

I live in a very rural county in southern Middle Tennessee. My vet is a leg specialist, who often gets flown to shows if a client has issues.

He only charged me $177 the day he x-ray both fronts when my horse foundered in 2012. He did something else while he was here but I can't remember what it was as I have four horses. He also waived the road fee of $40.

If you did not get a pre-purchase exam, you're going to have to get on board with a vet anyway -- this is a good way to start.

If you are on the Connecticut side of Massachusetts, I know someone I can ask for a vet recommendation but it won't be cheap - as I understand the Connecticut folks pay as much or more for veterinary care as you do

Provided the vet is licensed to practice in both states:)

I do already have a vet lined up that is great, and I am just over the border of NH so she is a NH vet (a LITTLE cheaper than MA).

I didn't get a pre-purchase exam (I know! Stupid idea right?) because the owners include an equine veterinarian, 3 barefoot trimmers, and an equine dentist. All of them showed me lots of vet paperwork and explain how they do his teeth and feet and I felt he has been in good hands. I went up a few times to visit and watched them catch him for me from his herd of 19 (don't worry- they're on 150 acres!) and did 2 hours of groundwork each time I went plus some riding. So I felt pretty confident buying... Until I really started looking into hoof cracks.

Also- I bought him from a barn that I wouldn't call a sale barn necessarily because they do not flip horses... Their horses are with them for at least a few years before they sell them, in training with them. Their goal is to train a horse you could sit a 3 year old on, and every horse they have I have felt comfortable letting my husband work around (and my husband had never SEEN a horse in real life until we started dating in 2010!). They said that if the horse isn't working out, they on occasion do an even exchange for another one of their horses, based on what happens once the horse is home. They keep in touch with everyone that buys horses from them and offer to help with continued training, dentistry, etc., but they are too far from me to do regular hoofcare.

So I felt pretty good about the whole scenario..
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Also- I called one of the trimmer sons and explained my new trimmer wants xrays and he said "of course! We X-ray every horse we get in here before we trim so that makes sense, and should give you added confidence moving forward in how she should be trimming" so I feel like he isn't lying when he says that he thinks his feet will be fine. I don't see them as a dishonest family at all, so I think they really think they are doing their best for their horses' feet. I am hoping he turns out okay!

You guys have been awesome so far!
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I'd say you have done your horse homework to the very best and beyond of your ability

It also sounds like you bought Roo from a reputable stable.

To save some money, ask how recent Roo's hoof x-ray's are. If they are recent enough, maybe they would be willing to e-mail a copy to you.

You would have them for your records and also be able to forward them to your new trimmer. That would save you a big bunch of money

I hope your husband isn't a race car driver - lol lol I thought I had a riding partner when I met my husband in 2002. He builds his own race cars and thought he was going to re-invent the "horse wheel" and do things his way.

To keep this short, 1) he put my horse down with a stupid move (2) the saddle slid on another occasion and he got himself stuck in rock wall with one foot stuck in the stirrup. Lucky for him my horse stopped breathing until he got himself loose.

That was in 2002 and the last time he everrrrr rode my horses. He's allowed to help, all he wants with barn chores, but he knows better than to ever ask to ride

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I'd say you have done your horse homework to the very best and beyond of your ability

It also sounds like you bought Roo from a reputable stable.

To save some money, ask how recent Roo's hoof x-ray's are. If they are recent enough, maybe they would be willing to e-mail a copy to you.

You would have them for your records and also be able to forward them to your new trimmer. That would save you a big bunch of money

I hope your husband isn't a race car driver - lol lol I thought I had a riding partner when I met my husband in 2002. He builds his own race cars and thought he was going to re-invent the "horse wheel" and do things his way.

To keep this short, 1) he put my horse down with a stupid move (2) the saddle slid on another occasion and he got himself stuck in rock wall with one foot stuck in the stirrup. Lucky for him my horse stopped breathing until he got himself loose.

That was in 2002 and the last time he everrrrr rode my horses. He's allowed to help, all he wants with barn chores, but he knows better than to ever ask to ride

Well, my husband has only ridden once and all he said was "That faster thing we did? Trotting? Yeah, that hurts." Sooo I don't think I'll have too many issues with him - I am trying to convince him to try to get on again! ha!
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If the trimmer "suggested" x-rays, does that mean I have to get them? Not meaning to sound like a slacker in care, just wondering how necessary they are, since up here my friend spent $700 the last time she got x-rays done.. and after putting a few grand down on a horse, I would love to save my pockets the pain. hah.
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Also, because I am in love with him, here are some more pictures!

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Walking him outside in the snow!

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Working on bending from the saddle (I don't normally ride western; this is when I was trialing him)

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Adjusting the new bitless bridle I bought him (it's too low in this picture, I know!)

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Resting in the saddle
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post #28 of 84 Old 01-22-2014, 07:32 AM
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If the trimmer "suggested" x-rays, does that mean I have to get them? Not meaning to sound like a slacker in care, just wondering how necessary they are, since up here my friend spent $700 the last time she got x-rays done.. and after putting a few grand down on a horse, I would love to save my pockets the pain. hah.
$700! There is nothing "slacker" about not wanting to frivolously write a check for something you probably don't need

Unless you have a solid reason to suspect a need for hoof x-rays, I would not get them - holy cow

If it's possible, I would still go back and ask the Seller's trimmer, or whomever claims to have had the X-rays done, for a copy via e-mail.

If I had to say anything "corrective" about Roo, it's that I would work to bring his topline up, once your weather gets decent. Massachusetts is on my local news this AM and you are not a pretty weather sight

Be sure of when his last worming took place and what he was wormed with. After he settles in and your weather starts behaving, I might think about taking a fecal to your new vet. Roo looks plenty healthy, so I would not arbitrarily worm him without doing a fecal check first

He is a big built fella - I like him a lot. Considering he's a Mustang, lived wild for how long, and given all he has been thru after his capture, he has a very gentle and hopeful eye

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$700! There is nothing "slacker" about not wanting to frivolously write a check for something you probably don't need

Unless you have a solid reason to suspect a need for hoof x-rays, I would not get them - holy cow

If it's possible, I would still go back and ask the Seller's trimmer, or whomever claims to have had the X-rays done, for a copy via e-mail.

If I had to say anything "corrective" about Roo, it's that I would work to bring his topline up, once your weather gets decent. Massachusetts is on my local news this AM and you are not a pretty weather sight

Be sure of when his last worming took place and what he was wormed with. After he settles in and your weather starts behaving, I might think about taking a fecal to your new vet. Roo looks plenty healthy, so I would not arbitrarily worm him without doing a fecal check first

He is a big built fella - I like him a lot. Considering he's a Mustang, lived wild for how long, and given all he has been thru after his capture, he has a very gentle and hopeful eye
Thanks! He is VERY sweet. The previous owners work every 8 weeks because the horses are out 24/7 in one big herd. But he doesn't have a lot of muscling, which is going to make fitting an English saddle to him pretty tough.

My trimmer said, "I would suggest lateral view xrays just to see where things are, bone alignment, and looking at his co-lateral cartilage." Any thoughts on that?

I can't wait to measure him to see his height. I am guessing 15.2h... Seeing as I am 5'8".
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1. You seem to have quite a bit of horse experience and common sense. If your instincts are telling you to get the X-rays and you have an extra $700, get them.

Were it me, based soley on what you have said, I would not get them. Others may have a different opinion.

You can always call the vet you will be using for Roo and ask the question of him/her and what the fee would be.

Also, I keep forgetting this: Get a good equine chiro lined up. They work miracles. Find one that follows the up with a massage because that makes all the difference as to how fast a horse acclimates to an adjustment, if they need one.

I hate to say this but, in 20+ years of using equine chiros, it has been my experience women are better at following up with a massage. Men are too black and white; they do the adjusting correctly but that's it, they're done and sometimes my horses have been sore for a few days because there wasn't a massage, immediately following the adjustment

2. I thought Roo was taller than 15.2H before you said you're 5'8" - lol

I am 5'2" (and one half inch-lol) I had enrolled this horse in a formal metabolic study conducted by the Universities of MN and MI.

I had to measure Joker by the method they set out; it was not by hands, like most of us measure.

Mr. WTW and I measured Joker three times, according to their instructions, to be sure we were accurate.

Joker measured 15.3H. Meaning Mr. Roo easily tops 16H, IMHO

This is Joker and I. My legs are considered average length, you can see where my feet hit Joker, who formally measures 15.3H; admittedly sitting bareback also makes a difference. Joker is also a big barreled horse, like Roo; meaning that big barrel takes up more leg space than a horse with a more athletic build (I hope that makes sense)

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