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post #11 of 60 Old 06-13-2019, 03:08 PM
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Order a second boot....
Use one boot to soak, use the second boot for the fumigation process {20 minutes think it is}
When my horse presented as new white line candidate in the making we soaked all feet and then did the fumigation....around the horse we went each foot in the soup and then each foot fumigated.
Last time I had a problem.

A tidbit of information...
Get your farrier to run a quick rasp over the foot bottom to open the pores and layers so absorption and fumigation gets best results.
The nasty bacteria organism is in the ground so hard to combat once the bacteria establishes residence inside the hoof walls and cracks...

Yes, for 10 days post trim he has a lot of flare and if you look close you can see his hoof issue is where the added stresses of flare take place...

Durasole...I know it says what it says but befuddle my brain how something you paint on the hoof bottom so it builds up a layer of tissue works to kill a bacterial infection inside, between hoof walls...
Straight off their website... with highlighted parts they proclaim.
Durasole is an aldehyde-based sole dressing formulated to harden the equine exfoliating sole and frog. It is extremely effective in enhancing the protective capabilities of those structures and does not affect the proximal sensitive sole or frog. Durasole works by swelling and thickening the cell membranes of the exfoliating sole, not by coating the sole with impermeable oils. Durasole does not contain copper napthenate or any essential oils. Because of its unique formulation, Durasole can be used for extended periods of time on chronically thin-soled horses without fear of drying out the foot as it does not compromise the moisture balance of the foot when used as directed. Durasole creates a tough, natural, pad between your horse's sensitive sole and the world's often hostile environment. We believe Durasole to be the most effective sole dressing on the market
I truly don't get it...paint the sole bottom helps what is between the walls...

Yea... also watched someone do Durasole on a horse with known whiteline.
Nearly lost the horse from lack of hoof...horrible, it was horrible.
I finally pitched a fit after 6 months watching worsening conditions and brought my supplies and said we are doing this, period.
Amazing...I soaked feet 2x and started to see a difference, a improvement. So suddenly did the farrier
It was White Lightening hoof soaks that saved that animal. Period.
There is also White Lightening gel in a bottle I squirt into cracks/splits to keep the bacteria away as it can be used between soaks as needed or just as a preventative.

I also use Thrushbuster as a preventative too for thrush...
It doesn't kill good tissue and not harm if no bacteria organisms are present but sure gets the work done if a problem is their too.
Thrushbuster works even in wet conditions for thrush bacteria...when the purple color recedes reapply..about every 5 days or so in real wet ground. No everyday treatment is needed...
Venetian oil or something is the active ingredient that kills the bacteria...and stains all it touches.
Watch the clothes, fingers and shoes.
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I use a similar product called Oxine AH, which requires either vinegar or citric acid to "activate" it. Here's a good article on using these products. https://www.healthyhoof.com/articles...Revisited.html
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Directions are on the bottle and on the internet too...follow them carefully but read it fully as tips are included {hence the second boot}...


I'll see if I can find them and then add it to this thread.
Look for the red type...

White Lightning and white vinegar combine to make a solution that "fumes" the hoof in a vapor bag or vapor boot for 30 to 40 minutes. Fuming can be done for shorter periods of time, and the White Lightning people recommend 12 hours or more for severely corroded frogs. A plastic bag can be used to contain the fuming solution or a special vapor boot can be purchased from Grand Circuit.

Go to Grand Circuits website. Go through the entire website and read the articles, the documentation and studies done correctly by professionals...it is eye-opening.

https://www.grandcircuitinc.com/articles/treatment-approach-white-line-disease

A 50/50 mixture is used but someplace I also read you can add some water{?} to the mixture so there is a deeper amount for better soaking coverage without it affecting strength and usefulness...I'm searching for that piece yet to include it here... stay tuned...
I can't find the literature on adding water...
I did not do that myself but read it someplace..

I used the 50/50 mixture but bought a larger bottle so my horses hoof was submerged in the better hoof boots than just the thin bag to so was able to really tent higher around the hoof and not tear the bag.
OK...you got it..not run with it and start the research.

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I just read a Canadian article stating gentain violet is a cancer causer, so wont be using Durasole or Thrush Buster any more. I think whoever suggested Durasole for wall cracks was misinformed. https://app.cyberimpact.com/newslett...k0WCZ1VOFeKhEY
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@horselovinguy yes now that you mention it, the flared hoof is not helping with the crack. I really liked this new guy, too. He was very calm and nice and made their hooves, overall, look very pretty. Not like the last guy who spent like five minutes per horse and left them all raggedy. I will say that the new farrier is part of a business with multiple farriers, and when I got here I looked at the hooves of some of the horses they had done, and they were TERRIBLY flared. Maybe I will start a new post to see if anyone has a farrier recommendation in Austin. All of my horses are barefoot, so it could just be a barefoot trimmer, too.
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I just read a Canadian article stating gentain violet is a cancer causer, so wont be using Durasole or Thrush Buster any more. I think whoever suggested Durasole for wall cracks was misinformed. https://app.cyberimpact.com/newslett...k0WCZ1VOFeKhEY
How is there not an icon for banging one's head against the wall? Just when you think you learn something, it turns out it may be wrong. I wlil read the article you mentioned. I do wonder if the possibility that it could cause cancer might be outweighed by the obvious good it can do in helping hoof problems.
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His hooves have always had a bit of flare. This is the second farrier I've had see him. I have specifically pointed out the flare to both farriers, and neither thought it was a big deal. Are they wrong?
Somehow missed this thread, only read 1st few posts so probs this all been said...

Firstly, 'gravel' is an old fashioned name for an abscess. They used to think abscesses were caused from gravel getting into the foot. There's no sign of that. What you're pointing at is jus periople (skin around hairline) & it looks a bit scuffed. Maybe looks more serious because of wetness.

That crack was there for longer than 10 days. I'd also think it's likely infected, so needs seedy treatment. Yes, leaving flares like that is likely to cause breakage & cracks.

By the look of the other superficial looking cracks & the rings, I think diet/nutrition could be playing a part too.

Some info I've found helpful; [COLOR=Lime][B]www.horseforum.com/horse-health/hoof-lameness-info-horse-owners-89836/
For taking critique pics; [COLOR=Lime][B]https://www.horseforum.com/members/41...res-128437.jpg
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Is this a new farrier to you ACinATX ??
Is this the first time he has worked with your horses hooves??
If so, I would speak to him and ask why the flares are being left...if he has a justified answer I might just give him a chance.


loosie addressing this to you...
When making changes to a trim don't you do it over several trim sessions so the horse acclimates to the new stresses to the tendon or just chop off the flares?
Or...
Do one big swoop of changes and let them be sore a few days while legs and stature/stance change to accommodate the differences?
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@loosie I'm glad you posted on this thread. I give him and my other two this supplement, which includes ingredients for hoof health:
https://www.smartpakequine.com/ps/sm...o-pellets-9473

I didn't want to cut and paste all of the ingredients here because it's a long list.

He has been getting this since about December. So the hoof wall that is showing the most cracks was built before he started getting it. Nonetheless, I've thought about increasing the amount I give him. He just, overall, just seems more fragile than the other two, and tends to have more issues. He was a rescue horse who was neglected, but that was a year before I got him, so I can't imagine that's playing into things at this point. Anyway, would you increase the supplement level, or leave it where it is and wait to see how his hooves look six months from now, when all of the hoof walls would have been built with him being supplemented?

Another thing probably playing a part, as I mentioned in another post, is that he is on a bad wet-dry cycle. His pasture has a pond and a creek that goes in and out of the pond. He crosses that creek at least twice a day, but probably more. The barn owner also deiberately wets the dirt around their drinking trough because she thinks that's good for their hooves. I don't want to stall him (he would hate it) and don't have another pasture to put him in unless I move barns.
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^No, most flares, esp ones like that can absolutely be (easily) dealt with in one fell swoop. Massive flares, such as to a 'ski foot' founder are usually best not removed completely, as it would take far too much of the outer wall away, reducing protection to the front of the foot & opening to further infection. And it is unnecessary if you've addressed the lower wall to fix mechanics. Still, to remove them would be no more strain on tendons etc than cutting your nail too far.

When talking about strain on tendons & ligs with regard to changes, that's about heel height & other imbalances that shouldn't be changed too severely. Bit like women who live in high heels & find it hard to go flat footed.

Some info I've found helpful; [COLOR=Lime][B]www.horseforum.com/horse-health/hoof-lameness-info-horse-owners-89836/
For taking critique pics; [COLOR=Lime][B]https://www.horseforum.com/members/41...res-128437.jpg
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