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post #21 of 60 Old 06-13-2019, 03:56 PM
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How is there not an icon for banging one's head against the wall? Just when you think you learn something, it turns out it may be wrong. I wlil read the article you mentioned. I do wonder if the possibility that it could cause cancer might be outweighed by the obvious good it can do in helping hoof problems.
Yeah, it's hard to keep every carcinogen out of the cupboard. My personal experience with most of the topicals has been marginal. We're in the Pacific NorthWET, where rain is typically long term. I've got one very susceptible horse and have used a lot of products on him including those that claim to protect against the wet dry cycle. Unfortunately, it takes pretty much a full year to find out if your efforts were worth it. Stubborn cases make an information seeker out of a person. The things that I've finally hung my hat on are these: Nutrition-Low carb forage based. Additions of copper and zinc sufficient to offset excessive iron. A really well informed barefoot trimmer that does not tolerate flare, long toes or underrun heels as " normal" or acceptible. That frequently ends up being the owner. And frequent trims, like every four weeks, to avoid the forces that distort the hoof. Also the use of padded hoof boots as a therapeutic appliance that encourages correct movement, which in turn enhances blood flow and internal development of all the key structures. The combination of these approaches resonate throughout the body. I've got two that have transformed when their feet got right.
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That's right, girl! STAND up and speak out! It's your horse's health - not the BM's.
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I haven't had a chance to read that article about carcinogens, yet...

However, add Furacin ointment to that list if you don't know!! Known carcinogen to humans!!

AND...

Keep a box of rubber gloves, disposable ones, at the barn for when you just might need to handle those products questionable in safety or not...
Issue solved and they are not expensive to keep on hand.
They are a godsend when you have a bad injury and are filthy from barn chores too..human or equine injuries take place to easily when unprepared for it.
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post #24 of 60 Old 06-13-2019, 06:43 PM
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His pasture has a pond and a creek that goes in and out of the pond. He crosses that creek at least twice a day, but probably more. The barn owner also deiberately wets the dirt around their drinking trough because she thinks that's good for their hooves.
IF the pasture itself is dry, I wouldn't call that 'wet - dry cycle' or think it's problematic. It's when they're *constantly* in wet footing, that when they do get to dry out, the waterlogged horn is softer & breaks.
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post #25 of 60 Old 06-13-2019, 07:34 PM
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Just to look a little deeper...

I noticed there's a similar looking lighter patchy area on both hooves. It's about 1/2?in down where the rupture spot is on the one hoof. It's not as big of an area on the one with the crack going up it. It looks like wet soggy hoof. Being it is where the hoof is compromised (see the other little specks of abscessey stuff on both hooves), is it this way on all 4 feet? I just wonder, might be a diet clue, or a clue on how teddy uses himself, if this was an injury, etc.
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post #26 of 60 Old 06-13-2019, 09:01 PM
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Those first two photos only go through the periople (cuticle). They're of no concern, the cuticle will grow back. Keep an eye on it, near where it reaches the coronet. You can dab a little triodine on the exposed hoof horn, if you want to.

The crack is of concern. That hoof wall is long long long, and it looks like your farrier trims with higher heels so that puts more pressure on the toe area than is desirable. How am I judging that? Think about it -- when your horse pushes off the ground with his toe, it's putting torque on that long toe and of course it will crack. Yes, wet-dry can influence this, but only if the problem is there to begin with. My horse is barefoot and goes through wet/dry every year - no cracks like that. Hooves in the wild break and split away when too long.

(While looking at the bottom of the hoof) the hoof wall needs to be rasped back towards the white line a bit more, lowered to 1/4" above the sole, and then the toe needs to be rounded. Take the torque off of that crack. The rounding helps prevent cracks by sending some of the force of hoof impact inward rather than outward. If you do this, you might see that there is further adjusting to do, such as lowering the hoof walls to 1/4" above the sole all the way around, and then rounding the outer edge of wall. You might find you need to lower the heels a bit, too, but no more than 1/8" at a time every week or two - don't make poor Teddy heel-sore, give him time to tell you that his digital cushion development is fine. After that, the crack should start to grow out and not get worse. I wish I were there to help. Maybe you can ask your farrier to do this trim?

Soaking with white lightning is amazing. It works for anaerobic bacteria very well, and the vinegar you mix with it will help with any fungus. Triodine is another wonderful product that I use, and it kills fungus and bacteria. DO NOT use water when you soak. Don't mix bleach and water. Keep water away. Beware of products that might irritate the frog or coronary band - the fleshy parts of the hoof. Rule of thumb: keep everything off of the coronary band unless it's injured terribly. As for frog, bleach can be too harsh - if you must use bleach, mix with glycerin lotion.
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post #27 of 60 Old 06-13-2019, 09:14 PM
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I haven't had a chance to read that article about carcinogens, yet...
However, add Furacin ointment to that list if you don't know!! Known carcinogen to humans!!
VERY good advice, horselovinguy. And yes, I can confirm that Furazone is awful! My vet back 15 years ago (who was a real inspiration and taught me MANY good things) told me that Furazone was good to put on a wound to prevent proud flesh. IT CAUSED IT! And left a scar as a reminder.

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The last picture is classical seedy toe. It is infected up one inch above the top of the crack. Something long and pointy is needed to dig out the white crumbly dead material from the bottom along the depth of the crack. The front may need to be opened up a little also.


It will need to be treated with antifungal/baterial 2 or 3 times each week, along with cleaning. If the dead material is not removed, the medication will not reach the deepest reaches where the bacteria/fungi are causing havoc.


Measure 1/2 inch above the top of the crack to the ground and divide by !/4". That's how many months at a minimum treatment must be ongoing. Ask me how I know. Every treatment missed will require three or four more. The stuff is horrible. The hoof wall needs to be rolled or taken out of contact with the ground at the crack to prevent mechanical stresses from helping to split the crack higher with will help the infection to spread.


Air, or oxygen will kill the infection so the cleaner the better.


Here's Hondo's seedy toe 4 1/2 years ago right after he came into my care. The first picture doesn't have it opened up to the top of the crack. Later I did. Most of the work was digging from the bottom. I used the skinny screwdriver blade on the original leatherman knife. Dentist picks that can be found on eBay are better.


Grew out clean and tight. Finally!


I also found one where it was not yet opened up.


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post #29 of 60 Old 06-14-2019, 06:52 AM
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Please use caution when taking advice of posters regarding digging in your horses feet with a pick or sharp instrument...
Every horse is a individual and with that, their tolerance to pain and or treatment needs to be specific to the animal.
It is also a animal specific time-frame for healing of tissue as some heal faster, some slower, some horses have fast growing hooves and some not..

What is done for one may not be appropriate or needed for another...
To my knowledge, posters are not vets and a few here are openly known as hoof care professionals or farriers.
The treatment of seedy toe is still something being developed and researched....
Use the advice of vet and or farrier working as a team approach with you to combat the problem for best results.

Now returning to this informative thread...


hlg.
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@horselovinguy thank you for the note. I am going to follow the farrier's recommendation (modified by helpful posts here) to soak in white lightning / vinegar. The farrier did recommend getting a small pick to regularly pick out the "white line" area, so I will do that as well. I am not ready to try to pick out the crack. Teddy is quite sensitive. I'm going to follow this routine for a few weeks and then have the farrier (or possibly a new farrier) look at it again. Unless it gets noticeably worse. Then we'll see.
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