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post #11 of 19 Old 11-12-2016, 12:54 AM
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From the rads I can see unbalance. From the pics, contracted heels, and an upright, overloaded hoof.

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Farrier came out yesterday and looked at the rads, and pull his shoe. He's already aware the foot needs balanced and we're working on it. He did think his heels were high in the rads, and trimmed the inside down a bit to start that process. Didn't feel comfertable digging for the infection, which I think is my issue. He got out a small abscess a month ago but just a little pressure, and it closed up and traveled to the bone. He also warned me about the vet digging around. I can see there is fuzziness around the coffin bone and am anxious to get rid of the infection.

Fingers cross she can look into it today. I paid emergency call fee to get the shoe off for her -_-
Farrier is coming back out Monday to do rest of the barn and hopefully put hospital plate on if my horse can get looked at.
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Not sure where the idea that the horse has contracted heels comes from. There's no sign of that in the one picture where you can only kind of half see the heels. Also the sunken p3, really guys? Where do you get these ideas from?
I don't understand how you get the idea there's no sign of any contraction. Heels do look a little contracted in that one pic, also the one I attached from her other thread. They're not terrible in that regard tho. Perhaps, as with the rad you posted about P3 low in the capsule, it's a matter of degrees, that you don't recognise lesser effects. I agree you can't tell that from the rads tho. I also agree that you can't tell about hotnailing, but I wouldn't think so from what we've seen.

The pic of the hoof front on & the second lateral view rad is what tells me that (very likely) P3 is a bit low in the capsule. In the pic, you can see above the coronary border looks a bit swollen looking, esp on the left hand side. I marked the rad to show the discrepancy in level of the extensor process of P3 & where *I think*(as said, can't be certain of accuracy without marking) the top of the coronary border is. In addition, the ski tip on P3 tells of long term increased pressure/thinner sole at the toe.

In the d/p view, I've outlined the distal edges of P3, to show how uneven it is. Also the blue lines show the uneven joint spacings, and also the uneven distance on either side of the wings of P3. If you look on the other thread, you will see m/L imbalance there too. I think, from the rads, this looks to be a long standing imbalance, not, as I think we discussed Madison(didn't re-read last thread), that it was possibly the recent farriery that caused it.

My concern about the erosion to P3 is what I marked in the skyline view rad. After looking again at the other thread, that's not in the region of the current seedy toe *if the rad & pic are the same orientation. Perhaps that was a previous problem. As mentioned, as it depends on the lucency of the radiograph, can't be sure as to how much the transparency of the edges of P3 accurately reflects bone density either, although it appears there is some.

So all in all Naph, as said, I appreciate we can't be sure of details, accuracy, and as said, the degree of P3 being low in the capsule, the degree of contraction is anything but severe, but given other aspects as well, I don't understand how you get the idea the hoof pics & xrays look 'good'.
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Is there a chance he can be sound again if the erosion area is treated? I'm hoping we didn't treat this too late :(. I read they can lose some bond. Unless all this lameness is from imbalanced hoof.

Maybe with shoes off I can get her to take a clearer graph of the infection.
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^well arent you wonderful then. All hail naph!

Obviously know everything, unlike me for eg, who has only been working in the industry for nearly 20 years. Quite frankly.

I could assume that because youre here, thats all you ever do, but that would be irrational.
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Is there a chance he can be sound again if the erosion area is treated? I'm hoping we didn't treat this too late :(. I read they can lose some bond. Unless all this lameness is from imbalanced hoof.

Maybe with shoes off I can get her to take a clearer graph of the infection.
Yes madison, there is a good chance, even IF it is all those things going on, that treated correctly, the horse will be ok. As i have tried to emphasise, theres not enough to go on, with skewed n unmarked rads to be accurate on much.
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Hero got worked on today. I was poulticing the hoof for few days to soften the sole and sure enough he reacted to hoof testers where as before he didn't flint for farrier. She didn't think it was from abscess but rather a puncture wound. She scraped a hole and got out some dark stuff I think (a lot of blood too) took some new graphs which I attached. To me looks less fuzzy but again I don't know what I'm really looking at. I hope this is the cure, along with getting the foot balanced over time.

My fellow equine friends horse is going thru similar situation but he's in a hospital with a perfusion? Then surgery route if that doesn't work.

So I hope poking a hole and scrapping the area did the trick for Hero along w oral antibiotics (I hear that doesn't really reach hoof area though so idk..)

Fingers crossed.
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Also I do notice the opacity in the coffin bone. Is that concerning? I'm guessing that's from the club foot. Will proper trimming prevent that from getting worse?
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