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post #1 of 91 Old 04-18-2019, 10:02 AM Thread Starter
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Question Hows This Shoe Job?

Here are a few pictures of my geldings front feet,how do they look? Couldn't take pictures outside it raining once it quits i can get more pictures. He was very sore after being shod but got over it after a few days. Was done beginning of this month.

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I don't know too much about what to look for on a shod horse, but to me it looks like both feet are taller on the medial side. Just what I see.
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I'm seeing one side higher than the other, too. I'd also like to see the shoe a bit larger-- it looks like he used a stock size, then filed the hoof down.
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I like them to extend a bit in the back to support the heel, and a little edge left in that rear quarter for expansion. They don’t look level to me, either...
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I fully agree with Greentree. Nothing to add there but I would also say that the clenches could be a lot flatter to the hoof wall.
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As I thought he's not doing a great job. The clenchs not be flat against the hoof wall...horse wasn't real well behaved.

Guess his feet are what they are for now. He can't be ridden barefoot hoof boots don't work. So I'm stuck with not great work.
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I really hate to see this....Farriers are mostly impossible. Everyone feigned shock when I said I had never left a farrier on his own to do my horses...this is why. If you look at a hoof, and it looks crooked, you MUST say something. You have to make it sound like THEY saw it. (“OMG, is that foot off balance?.?” Is NOT what to say!!) Lol.
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So... The m/l imbalance is obvious, BUT without further knowledge, I'm not going to say it's *necessarily* wrong. Look at the line through the middle of the limb - the whole(visible) leg is on an angle, appears horse is base narrow. It could well be 'imbalanced' because the horse *wants* to be imbalanced, due to body issues. The farrier should NOT just cut a 'square' foot onto a crooked body.

And hooves are flared, 'stretched' forward, but in order to nail rims onto a foot, if that foot is not 'tight', then the farrier, even if he knows better, often must make compromises, in order to have enough wall to nail to. He has rasped off the very lower portion of the flares, but of course, he couldn't address them adequately at ground surface, without removing too much to fit a shoe to.

But so saying, the shoe is too big for the foot, if it was fit right. I've drawn lines on the foot, to show *very roughly - can only guess from this pic* approx where the heel platform & breakover 'should' be. I do believe, regardless of necessary compromises for shoes, that this should be adhered to, rather than the shoe fit to the foot as the farrier has found it. And then, as more of an idea, I shifted the shoe back in the pic... and made it shorter & narrower, as it would fit to a 'tight' hoof capsule.

The other thing is, if the shoe is flush with the sole, meaning there's permanent pressure on the sole, this can cause pain/damage, esp when soles are already thin. Flexible shoes can negate that problem.

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Guess his feet are what they are for now. He can't be ridden barefoot hoof boots don't work. So I'm stuck with not great work.
Yes, if your priority is for shoeing conventionally & riding the horse, without ensuring hooves are healthy first, at the amount/on terrain that causes you to feel hoof boots or other alternatives aren't worth it, then to a certain degree, you're stuck. Even the best shoeing job, if using steel peripheral rims, with be compromising the hooves further.
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Some info I've found helpful; [COLOR=Lime][B]www.horseforum.com/horse-health/hoof-lameness-info-horse-owners-89836/
For taking critique pics; [COLOR=Lime][B]https://www.horseforum.com/members/41...res-128437.jpg
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OOPS... loosie posted same time as I...


Not only does this effect the hooves, but look closely at the pastern/fetlock/ankle joint and see that the "off" is now going to effect right up the horses anatomy making them unbalanced...
Sore, yes you could say there is a reason to be sore when his feet and everything else now might by unbalanced.

I've seen worse shoeing jobs, I've also seen better.
I don't appreciate his finishing of the hoof as he does...
I would though like to know what nails he used cause some are not supposed to be clinched and finished in certain ways most are accustomed to seeing.
I'm not suggesting, but was anything said about seedy toe or WLD regarding your horses as I know there is a different nail for that affliction...???
I'm used to seeing a frog cleaned up better than those were...
The shoe looks small for the hoof or not well shaped, not sure which...it just looks overgrown to me on a new shoeing application.
And, the shoes look used to me...
Were the shoes reset from a previous shoeing?
The toes are worn on both feet.
And it is hard to make out with the shadow and dirt but is the heel of the shoe going to make contact with the edge of the frog {shoe heel not spread enough} that every step the horse takes he takes a shot of concussive action to his nerve sensitive frog???

In all fairness to the farrier I would like to see the horse with critical critique pictures done to see if he/she is trying to correct/work with a conformation issue or stance the horse exhibits though too.
There are always 2 sides to every story and picture depicted and although not liking some of what is seen I want to know if it is a farrier error or farrier working within limitations due to a horses build...
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@horselove nguy we are 3 weeks into shoeing cycle so yes shoes are showing wear. No not resets will be done again in 3 or 4 weeks need to schedule it here.

He's not had issues with seedy toe. I did clean up frog some took of tattered peices. Farrier doesn't carve the frogs or soles, also never trims down bars.

Yes he pretty much fit hoof to the shoe then rasped to down. Only trimmed very little hoof wall with nippers. I have to be here to hold horse's this one doesn't always behave. And we had to do some discipline.

Yes there are copper coated nails I asked about him using those. Nope he won't so not an option.

@loosie I think the picture is making him look crooked. He is a bit base narrow though. Horse had body work done by a vet/chiro was about 3 weeks before farrier visit. Shoes he put on fronts are size 0 i asked what size he was using.

I have tried to get him to do eponas he was willing to try it but never has them with him. Then he told me they won't last two weeks...with as much as I ride. Then the terrain is rough rocky.

His back feet are messed up right hind is wonky not balanced I can see it. Plus he is wearing toe off on just that hind foot. Will get more pictures obviously tomorrow supposed to be nice out.

I had his feet fairly good early winter then it got super cold and I didn't keep up his hooves.

Vet/chiro said horse is body sore do to feet this last visit. Said he was better earlier in winter then now..I was doing his feet at that time.

I am not totally against hoof boots..just trying to fit them with current state of their feet. Is really hard. So there is probably sole pressure from shoes? I'm tempted to pull shoes at least off hinds. I've asked farrier about doing pad with some kind of packing in hoof. He never gave me an answer. I don't know what to do if I should keep farrier or just do horse's myself.
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