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post #11 of 45 Old 08-17-2018, 04:05 PM Thread Starter
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Front right pics of Aug 17th trim
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Right, first I have to say, that's a nice improvement so far! Heels look like they're down/back to at/close to where they should be now.

Next, I have to say my right click is't working & my N is temperamental! So I had to do scree shots to mark your pics, so have cut & pasted together. Ad hope you uderstand with some lacking N's, because I ca't be bothered correctig everything & hittig it repeatedly to make it work!

So... with the frog apex so flat with the sole, I think sole is VERY thin i frot. Therefore, while you have bee very conservative with the sole you have taken, I would be inclied to remove *none* from the frot 1/3 of the feet.

You ca see, from the lines I drew o the sole pic that 'breakover' is back behid that ridgy bit - and I think the midline - so breakover - could actually be a little further back tha that in reality(as always, I've oly roughly done, don't bother even trying to be too precise based on a pic). In the close up pic of toe, you can see this is not actually sole, but is lamellar 'wedge' material. I'd bevel the groud surface slightly from that poit and turn it ito a strong roll before you get to the wall. The you wo't have that ridge sticking up at the frot, from the heel-forward pic angle.

Ad you can see by the blue line on that pic, that while it takes off the toe lump, it's more rounded at the toe quarters - I'd like to see a bit of wall there, rather than rolled quite so strogly. Mind you, if he's always o yieldig footing, that's ot a big deal.
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For taking critique pics; [COLOR=Lime][B]https://www.horseforum.com/members/41...res-128437.jpg
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Oct. 18th trim. I'm starting to wonder if something about his is making his hooves flat and bars grow over. This time on his left there was a bruise under a bar and he was tender on the gravel after.
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These are the same hooves as you posted pics of a few months back?!

1. Evidently the owner is not doing one single thing to help the hooves.

2. I could be wrong but, I'm guessing there is laminitis brewing in those hooves. The horse does not need to be lame to have laminitis, but -----------

3. If the owner is not taking one iota of responsibility for those hooves, you are probably fighting a losing battle:(. That horse needs more help than just from you.

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That's what I was thinking. They look better after the trim but ultimately I'm not seeing much improvement. He is on grass/hay mix. What should I suggest for the owner to have done? Bloodwork? Strict diet? This is where I need help
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That's what I was thinking. They look better after the trim but ultimately I'm not seeing much improvement. He is on grass/hay mix. What should I suggest for the owner to have done? Bloodwork? Strict diet? This is where I need help
1. I can't remember if you've ever posted a pic of the whole horse? That might help answer some questions; hopefully in terms of what goes in the feedpan

2. The owner has a serous responsibility to get onto those hooves with daily or near daily maintenance for awhile. If she can't give 110% toward helping you manage those hooves, you are not going to be able to do much.

Even if you're at the barn every day, the owner should not expect you to maintenance those hooves, unless she pays you.

3. When you say grass pasture -- real grass pasture or more dirt/mud than pasture?

4. If the owner won't do her share toward the health of Chance's hooves, you might be better off walking away from the horse before she blames all that white line and thrush on you.

A horse can have wall separation without having white line disease --- I know because I've stood on my head many hours successfully treating my foundered horse's wall separation to the amazement of my farrier. He doesn't have wall separation now but that didn't happen by me just standing around doing nothing while waiting for the farrier.

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This was the best photo I could find that didn't have people in it. He's 18, is in a small dirt pasture with a mare and is on grass/alfalfa mix. He does have very prominent withers in my opinion. I'm just hoping this is fixable rather than he's just doomed to bad hooves no matter what.
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If Chance still looks like that, he appears to be at a good weight but is lacking muscle, IMO. The high withers bother me less than his high hip bones.

Just because he doesn't have the stereotypical look of a metabolic horse, doesn't mean he couldn't have metabolic issues. Blood work would be great and a better diet would be great, along with the owner getting her nose down in those hooves more than just an occasional casual glance.

It sounds like he lives mostly in dirt --- "clean dirt" isn't so bad, as long as his hooves are cleaned out a few times weekly. However, if nobody is cleaning the manure out of his living area every single day, the manure breaks down into the dirt and causes serious hoof problems. I know this
from the five years I lived in Southern California and my horses initially were on 3/4 acre of sand and ground-in manure.

I was on my own so it took me awhile to save up enough money to get a front loader in there to scrape all that built up crap & sand out and haul it off in a TRI-axle dump. The thrush in their hooves cleared up almost in front of my eyes. Before I could afford all that clean up, I was cleaning and putting meds on 12 hooves every day after I got home from work which was a 76 mile drive one way --- I don't have much sympathy for owner excuses for not doing due diligence care with their horse, unless the horse is hours away:)

I don't know how you get the owner to spend some money for a better diet, some blood work, and fix the pasture issue. If the owner won't step up, I still say you may have to turn your back so you won't end up getting blamed for what isn't right with those hooves:(
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