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post #11 of 42 Old 09-01-2014, 11:55 PM
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why are you adamantly against shoeing?
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That is wonderful that he had sound days! Some healing and progress has been made - I would stick with this farrier, as it sounds like he/she is doing good things for your horse.



Even if shoeing could help your horse be comfortable on his own feet again?

Given the right horse and the right situation, a properly applied shoe package can literally give a horse their life back. It is a useful science that progresses more each year, and it is unfortunate to disregard something that helps so many horses horses regain soundness and live relatively pain-free lives. Just my two-cents.

I've always thought that in the long run shoes make matters worse (a bandaid until being PTS, almost??). I thought they cause underrun and contracted heels//a host of other problems that actually can do more harm than good? Maybe I've just met people with bad farriers
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This is another reason I don't love the idea of remedial shoeing...

Rockley Farm: The "research" bunfight continues...

http://rockleyfarm.blogspot.com/2010...-for-hoof.html



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Then he blew a huge abscess that drained for days. That was a month ago. ...No lame steps and he felt great. Just walked, then I hopped off.
...The next day (Sunday), though, he was so sore :( He was walking short-strided. I cleaned out his foot and put some durasole on. ...
The abscess hole is almost getting bigger so today I packed with an epsom salt poultice and a diaper, vet wrap and duct tape. He looked really stiff on hard ground :( ...
BL solution (herbs that are like bute) with his afternoon feed. Hopefully that makes him more comfortable. I am calling the vet tomorrow about possible antibiotics because the abscess has been taking forever :( ....
I'm about to give up hope. ... It's been three months, countless hours of wrapping, poulticing, soaking,
Picked what I feel the relevant bits of your post above...

Where did 'the' abscess break? Did the farrier/vet open it at all? Without further info, I'd be thinking that abscess has probably been & gone, although if it was severe, &/or your horse is 'prone' to abscesses, it is very likely but a symptom of the problem.

Why is he locked up? For this lameness, or otherwise? Why are you using durasole? Where? Packing an abscess hole with epsom salts, or applying any other strong chemical, esp if chronically, can inhibit/damage tissue healing, if it's on live tissue.

Looking stiff on hard ground... could be due to an abscess, heel pain, excess wall pressure, thin soles.... etc. Don't know what's BL but anti inflammatories can indeed be helpful for some things, but if an abscess was suspected, as the inflammation is part of the body's way of forcing the rubbish out, I don't like to suppress that. Obviously sometimes it can be a balance with serious pain though... Same goes with antibiotics to a degree too. I wonder, why are you so sure it's an abscess, and why you think it's THE abscess?

As for your 'countless hours', I hear you, but depending on what's going on, how he lives etc, it realistically could be countless more & if you don't have help... Perhaps it's worth considering sending him to a rehab centre, assuming there's a good one available, for some intensive care & give you a break too.
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See im on the oppose end of the shoeing spectrum. I see soooo many dead lame horses out here from people convinced no shoes is the ONLY way to go. While my mare has a quarter crack from an old injury, good front feet and slightly under-run back heals (shoes or no shoes because she crushes them from being camped under) she can go on a 20 mile trail ride and go again the next day. While the bare horses and sore, gimping and have to "take it easy" the next day. Alot of people in my area will let a horse hobble around in pain for 1-2 years saying they are "transitioning" still. Some horses just cant do it, and most navicular horses cant.

That being said if a horse is sound without shoes, leave it. If it cant live a pain-free life without shoes? shoe them. Find a GOOD farrier and have them work WITH the vet. The vet will help curb a farrier from doing a lazy or sloppy job. Also learn about what he NEEDS to be doing so he/she cant BS you and do what ever. I have gone through farriers this way (that and my mare sat on one because she was "done" with him lol). My father in law is my farrier and she not only dose NOT try to sit on him, but her feet look ALOT better. He told me what he was doing and is going to teach me how to trim my own mare. If you can find a good shoer hold onto them!
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BugZapper, you commented before and I already told you that I don't agree with your treatment plan. Spent a few hours on Rockley Farm website and you will understand. Or even a few minutes....
Or Pete Ramey, or a million other sites ...
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Well then, good luck with your lame 1000lb lawn mower. I would really love to know what your vet really had to to say about this . I know mine would have given you the , then why did you waste my time coming out here and dont call me again response, if you are not going to follow a treatment plan.
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He was sound barefoot for as long as I//his previous owners have known him (and I have followed his training for a year before I bought him) so I have a hard time thinking he just can't be barefoot.

He is usually very comfortable on rocks and not ouchy at all. He was never ouchy until that random trail ride he came up lame after.

He blew his abscess out of his white line at the heel.

My new farrier gave me the durasole and believes he will be sound in a few trims because his previous trim was NOT good and was unbalanced. He said his soles near his heel are thin (but not near his toe???).

My farrier also told me his abscess is still active when he was trimming him. He didn't dig it out though, since the hole was already there.

Vinnie has never had an abscess before this one in the last year and a half I have known him, so I don't think he is prone to them.

I transitioned him to grass in May, his feet got softer, I took him on a trail, he came up lame, two months later blew an abscess, but now still not sound. That's the overview...
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BugZapper- I called the vet out originally to figure out what's wrong. She THOUGHT it might be the spurs (although other vets' articles do not agree, and she emailed me those articles herself!), but isn't sure. She suggested corrective shoeing but again, isn't sure it will be the right answer. I am less inclined to pay $250 every 6 weeks if my vet says I can choose that or a wait and see approach.
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Then you need a new vet! If your vet can not give you the correct answer, then he/she should have scheduled an appointment with the university or clinic they use for their leg issues. My vet is a track vet and keeping a horse sound is what he does, a lame horse in his field is a dead one.
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Then you need a new vet! If your vet can not give you the correct answer, then he/she should have scheduled an appointment with the university or clinic they use for their leg issues. My vet is a track vet and keeping a horse sound is what he does, a lame horse in his field is a dead one.

That's what one of my friends said too, she didn't like the indecisiveness of my vet and her need to keep coming back out to check and still not give me answers.. I have spent lots of money to her and still not sure on what's wrong or what to do. And I am talking over $1000..

But I figured I can't blame her because I don't have extra cash for an MRI right now, and I know an MRI is what will solve the problem of what's wrong.
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