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post #1 of 10 Old 06-14-2018, 02:06 PM Thread Starter
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The mule and her ugly hooves

This is my board manager's molly mule. She's old. My board manager is not a good trimmer nor do i think he trims properly. He's a nice guy but not the best trimmer. So here are his mule hooves. Front right and back left. Back left has a big chip in it where I believe the hoofwall looks like it needs to be trimmed. Her sole edges grow with the hoofwall and make the hoof look very cupped and i suppose that's why she's not been trimmed properly. My board manager has had an op recently so maybe i could offer to trim her for him once a month. @loosie how should we map these hooves? (she is not sore but it may be worth noting she is always stiff and literally creaks when she moves but maybe it's her age)
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post #2 of 10 Old 06-14-2018, 03:53 PM
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Wow, those ARE some overgrown hooves.



I'm not a hoof mapper so hopefully someone else can help you with that. What I do see is she has a broken back/ negative hoof angle on at least one foot so I would want to try to stand her up a little more on that foot especially. But she is just all-around LONG and I know mule feet are slightly different than horses, so I would want to research that before trimming her as well just because I like to go into things with as much information as possible.
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post #3 of 10 Old 06-15-2018, 02:53 AM
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Yeah, recon extremely likely there are some negative palmer angles there & she looks... a fair few months overdue for a trim. Be back later to comment in detail.

Some info I've found helpful; [COLOR=Lime][B]www.horseforum.com/horse-health/hoof-lameness-info-horse-owners-89836/
For taking critique pics; [COLOR=Lime][B]https://www.horseforum.com/members/41...res-128437.jpg
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Ugh, seriously neglected feet! I'm guessing this guy hasn't had a farrier out to her for well over 6 months actually.

Donkey's feet tend to be a little steeper, heel platforms more forward of the bulbs and feet more oval than a horse's. While *as a rule* it's best not to remove much if any sole material from a horse on a regular basis, donks tend to build up & retain a lot more than horses & so it may need to be pared each trim, to keep it from becoming a problem. Donkey's feet, aside from these above differences, are built the same way as a horse & the same principles apply to trimming, balancing and mapping. *bearing in mind bit more oval shape. Mules can have very donkeyish feet or very horsey feet, or half way between.

So... Firstly, it is the convex dorsal walls, the slight 'broken back' hoof pastern angles and the steep angle to the hairline that makes me suspect 'negative angles' to P3. Couldn't be absolutely sure just from these pics, and rads would be best... but guessing that's not going to happen.

It looks like poor Molly has at least 1" of excess horn right the way around - except the broken bit of course - that could easily come off immediately. Then, as explained, I would expect there is a lot of excess rubbish sole, that if cleaned out, you might find there's another 1/2" or more wall to remove. Bars also massively overgrown & need cutting right down.

As feet need to be cleaned out properly - excess sole pared back, to find true sole plane, true edges of sole; bars taken back to find heel corners and the ends of the bar where they merge with the sole; Ratty bits of frog, and the tip pared back to find the true frog apex - in order to 'map' them accurately, my lines I drew are extremely rough, just where I guess the foot is.

That broken chunk/separation appears to be full of seedy toe, which is something I've found is often a lot worse in donkeys - maybe their feet are more compromised in 'normal' environments because they're evolved for even drier environs than horses.

Donks, IME are far more stoic than horses - or at least, people are even less tuned to donkey bodylanguage, so they're even less aware of how they're feeling. So if the mule is obviously uncomfortable, fair chance that she's suffering substantially. Could be something else of course, but chances are, she's pretty uncomfortable, on those feets, and maybe arthritis or other joint probs from the 'negative' angles.
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Some info I've found helpful; [COLOR=Lime][B]www.horseforum.com/horse-health/hoof-lameness-info-horse-owners-89836/
For taking critique pics; [COLOR=Lime][B]https://www.horseforum.com/members/41...res-128437.jpg
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@BuckyGold I love what you're doing but wowzers I have to say that's what.. three horses in your barn that have feet that need help? Are you contracted to do all the barns feet or are you on a rampage (coz I know I would be!). I'm glad they have you and to have you come on here and double check everything too! Keep posting it's super educational as are the responses!
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post #6 of 10 Old 06-15-2018, 11:25 AM Thread Starter
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@loosie thank you for the advice. She's got a ton of flaky sole in the fronts and just as much hard as rock retained sole in the back. I think she also has thrush in the fronts. @Kalraii yes I'm on a rampage. I care more about the horses comfort than the money. My board manager trims his own horses hooves but usually months in between because of 2 reasons he says "its back breaking work" and "it's always fun to trim an inch or 2 of hoof off". He did just have a knee replacement so he may go for the idea of me trimming his horses and mule so it's easier on him. I'll ask him if i can trim her this evening and see what he says.
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Fronts done. I believe i got most of the dead sole but I'll see what it looks like when i finish all 4s. I would have gotten all hooves today if she wasn't so figdety. I know i could've done a better job had she held still. I would have gotten more pictures after if she wasn't such a turd. I think i trimmed an inch or more of wall off.I'll take more and better pictures next time. Here's her front right and left and shot of bottom of the right
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Aah! That's better! I'd want to have mapped her feet properly - sus breakover is around 1" back from toe there. Also take those overgrown bars down more.

And don't blame her for being 'fidgetty' - she's not a 'turd' but the product of her previous training.

Some info I've found helpful; [COLOR=Lime][B]www.horseforum.com/horse-health/hoof-lameness-info-horse-owners-89836/
For taking critique pics; [COLOR=Lime][B]https://www.horseforum.com/members/41...res-128437.jpg
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@loosie my board manager told me he got her from a farm that had 40 mules and when they were trimmed they were hooked up to a machine that leaned them on their side so she never really learned
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^Well then you're on a better wicket than, say, that person's donkey, who learned from bad handling, to fight people.

Some info I've found helpful; [COLOR=Lime][B]www.horseforum.com/horse-health/hoof-lameness-info-horse-owners-89836/
For taking critique pics; [COLOR=Lime][B]https://www.horseforum.com/members/41...res-128437.jpg
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