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post #11 of 19 Old 06-06-2018, 12:09 AM
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I don't think saying something about the pony's feet is "pushing your opinions" on someone. This can hurt him, this is basic care neglect, not an opinion. If it doesn't get better than that I would do more, I'd push it further until his feet are taken care of. At the very least, I'd think the people who own this property/the barn owner wouldn't want potential borders to see this kind of care and think it's tolerated, I'd think they'd want to the see the horses in good shape for it's own sake, if not to keep from turning people away.

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This does look like a founder has taken place at some time, but as a ranch manager overseeing almost 70 horses your manager can force the issue. I have always advocated for the horses on my ranch. Simply you let your boarder know if they don't take of it you will or they can remove their horse off the premises...
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post #14 of 19 Old 06-07-2018, 04:11 PM
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At my place they have a three strike rule as explained to me. The owner will get called in three times and if the issues are not resolved you and your horse will be evicted. That's actually how they got on of their horses, the original owner signed them over.

I bet the owner doesn't properly look at the feet. Out of sight and out of mind yo? You should show her these pictures as she might be short sighted AND show your own horse's hooves. Ask her which ones look healthier, the ones done by you or by the farrier, after the appointment of course. You can gently remind her that you are in it for the horse's welfare and NOT just the paycheck plus.. you board there. Why on earth would you wanna risk your reputation for a few pennies hm? If anything you have more motivation to do a proper job. Part of it also might be that she's trying to avoid the VERY LIKELY vet bills heading her way if she followed proper healthcare precautions and treatment so she doesn't want YOU near them either.

And if none of the above work absolutely push it with the manager. He doesn't want a reputation advocating horse neglect, surely?


And PS: I really dislike people telling me its none of my business. A dependant is a dependant. If I think a child or vulnerable person is being abused I WILL report it... even if the family or caregiver tell me its none of business. If an animal is neglected same thing. We must challenge ourselves to challenge others on behalf of those that cannot defend themselves. It's easy to look away but not so easy to live with it.
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post #15 of 19 Old 06-07-2018, 06:08 PM
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And PS: I really dislike people telling me its none of my business. A dependant is a dependant. If I think a child or vulnerable person is being abused I WILL report it... even if the family or caregiver tell me its none of business. If an animal is neglected same thing. We must challenge ourselves to challenge others on behalf of those that cannot defend themselves. It's easy to look away but not so easy to live with it.
I so agree with you over this, everyone should take notice and do what is right not just turn a blind eye.
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post #16 of 19 Old 06-07-2018, 06:31 PM Thread Starter
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@Kalraii i completely agree. The board manager has been asking Frosty's owner nicely but the BM said he doesn't want to make the owner angry
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post #17 of 19 Old 06-11-2018, 10:03 PM Thread Starter
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Frosty has been trimmed. Was unable to take pictures because my phone was dead but i will tomorrow. They look great from the outside but it looks like the farrier "dubbed"? The hoofwall to make the whole hoof look correct from the outside. But when i pick up a hoof looking directly down i see nothing but sole. I get rolling away a stetched toe to take the leverage away but it has been done all the way around. The sole asks has no or hardly any concavity so frosty is walking on most of his sole. He doesn't look tender but it doesn't look right. The point of the frog is at the very edge of the hoof
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post #18 of 19 Old 06-13-2018, 10:19 PM
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The point of the frog is at the very edge of the hoof
Very interested to see pics then. The above makes me think the horse is seriously, very chronically foundered and the frog has 'stretched' forward greatly too, known as a 'founder strap. I have cut seriously foundered feet back to *past* the point of the frog at times, knowing full well I'm still nowhere near live tissue.

In fact I just received xrays from a vet this morn on a foundered pony I'm dealing with, and he has marked/measured the frog apex at 9mm IN FRONT of (worn & ski tipped) P3. That's not anywhere near as bad as some, but shows that the correct length of toe/breakover should be brought back close to the current tip of the frog. Looking forward to making a real difference for him next trim!

Which is kinda first trim... last visit he was acutely laminitic as well and couldn't stand for his feet to be picked up long at all, so I only did a VERY light nipping to get heels down a bit & relieve toe walls. Extremely frustrating as I'd been working on this pony a year ago, got him comfortable & hooves looking almost normal... then she 'forgot' to get him trimmed for over 6 months & think she only 'remembered' because he was in such great pain. She was shocked that I couldn't trim him properly then & told her she needed to get a vet urgently... Now we're back close to the state I found him in!

Some info I've found helpful; [COLOR=Lime][B]www.horseforum.com/horse-health/hoof-lameness-info-horse-owners-89836/
For taking critique pics; [COLOR=Lime][B]https://www.horseforum.com/members/41...res-128437.jpg

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post #19 of 19 Old 06-14-2018, 01:36 PM Thread Starter
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Frosty is very sore. I came out to keep an eye on him, the board manager i believe is currently on the phone with the owner. Here are pictures of his hooves. I didn't clean them out because i didn't want the owner to freak out about me touching her horse. The tip of the frog has worn away a little but there's very little hoof wall Frosty can walk on. He's daintily walking around with his head low. Poor guy. I'm sitting on a bench keeping an eye on him until his owner arrives. @loosie here you go
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