Remove shoes? - Page 2 - The Horse Forum
 10Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #11 of 14 Old 07-27-2018, 07:53 PM Thread Starter
Yearling
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: London, UK
Posts: 1,265
• Horses: 1
@mmshiro I did a whoops... in the short term, a month maybe two, she'll just be a field ornament until I am convinced she is well enough to be bitted again. I am not even happy to ride her bitless not because of training or whatnot but just because she is generally uncomfortable and it must be affecting her carriage with or without it. So for now she get's to live an easy life, minus more wasp attacks I hope and give her feet/joints a break, hopefully. There is a single dirt trail, flat rock in some places but mostly dirt, where I'll be taking her down the most in-hand.

I don't even know what I'm seeing when I look at those pictures. I only know that her heels have "moved". Everything I thought was correct in a hoof is proving more wrong each day... just hoping I learn quick enough for her.

edit: and I just want to make clear I am not against shoeing at all. This isn't my attempt to go bare or nothing! I do think it's reasonable to give her feet and joints a break though and let her see how she feels without them.
loosie, Acadianartist and mmshiro like this.

Last edited by Kalraii; 07-27-2018 at 08:10 PM.
Kalraii is offline  
post #12 of 14 Old 07-27-2018, 09:51 PM
Started
 
Join Date: May 2017
Location: NW Connecticut
Posts: 2,430
• Horses: 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kalraii View Post
edit: and I just want to make clear I am not against shoeing at all. This isn't my attempt to go bare or nothing! I do think it's reasonable to give her feet and joints a break though and let her see how she feels without them.
Oh, I know that. I think we're both talking about making the transitional and adjustment period as little cumbersome for her as possible. If she'll spend her days on grass for a few weeks, I see no risk in taking the shoes off all at once.
mmshiro is offline  
post #13 of 14 Old 07-27-2018, 09:58 PM
Trained
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Canada
Posts: 6,787
• Horses: 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kalraii View Post

edit: and I just want to make clear I am not against shoeing at all. This isn't my attempt to go bare or nothing! I do think it's reasonable to give her feet and joints a break though and let her see how she feels without them.
Similarly, I am not against shoes at all either! We happened to stumble upon a great trimmer who believes in barefoot. Given that our horses have decent hooves, and given that they mostly walk on grass and sand, it's worked well for us. But every horse is different. Do what works for Katie! But also, sometimes, you have to make choices based on the availability and preferences of the relevant expert. It dose not sound like your farrier is keen on shoes. In the end, there are many factors that can influence these decisions. I know you will make the best possible choice.
Acadianartist is offline  
post #14 of 14 Old 07-28-2018, 04:28 AM
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Australia
Posts: 20,164
• Horses: 0
You sound... testy in your reply mm. Sorry if you took my post badly - I didnt mean to sound argumentative or such in the least...

Quote:
Originally Posted by mmshiro View Post
- Weight distribution, given that the horse "walks" most of its time,
Yes, at a walk they are usually 'front heavy'. I dont believe i bothered with details, think i just said it depends, and its not all about weight distribution.

Quote:
- If it doesn't sound like a piece of wood (or "hard" horn) when I tap on it, it's "soft". If pieces flake off from a structure that I can bend like rubber,
I wouĺdnt say the sound is a definite indicator at all & i wouldnt want frog sounding like horn or being inflexible anyway. But yes, absoĺutely, if sole can be(remotely) 'bent like rubber' that is... very not a good thing!

I have only experienced *soft* sole a couple of times before, both times after pedal bone penetration & not sure whether it was true sole material that grew over it (dr bowker said he didnt think proper sole could regenerate over a penetration, but on further evidence, we thought the diff betwwen those that cant & can is about using chems that retard growth)

I have, unfortunately not that rarely, dealt with horses yhat were so thin soled they yielded to my thumb pressure tho. Thats bad too, but not end of world. I wouldnt say their soles were soft, just so thin they were flexible. Perhaps (i hope) thats what you mean by soft soles.

Neither of the above are necessarily a problem of shoes v's bare though.

Quote:
states that a shod hoof often gets trimmed to the "waxy" part of the sole - which is probably "softer" than the "hard" hoof wall.
.

Yeah regardless of whether they shoe or not, farriers very often over prune the bottom surfaces. Live frog is definitely soft. Sole, regardless of live or dead is also softer than wall horn. Ime old sole is not nec. Harder than live sole tho & sometomes hhe opposite - you can scrape it off with a hoofpick even.

Quote:
just as you would not have problems in the pasture. However, the hoof wall, if extending a bit beyond the sole like a shoe would, will take some contact force off the center when riding on unyielding, abrasive surfaces like tarmac, or stepping on stuff that's the horse's equivalent of LEGO
Quoted that first bit above because you're talking to someone who can comfortably run down a gravel rd barefoot... yet a couple of my horses need boots to keep up with me on that.

And the next bit - yes im well aware that peripheral loading can indeed be a great *palliative* but this ime is by far the most damaging effect of shoes (or bare with long, strong walls or very concave feet on hard, flat surfaÁes). I think raising what Dog put on the bottom of the horses feet so theyre out of commission is definitely contra-indicated.

They may well need artificial protection *& support* if sole & frog are too weak to use properly though.

Ime the only time ive found horses to benefit from *relief* underneath (assuming they not too far gone for anything but palliative only) is when sole is ULTRA thin such as severe founder, when a crescent may need to be cut out of thick pads to relieve the tip of p3, unt enough can grow back.

Quote:
(OP states she has to hit the road to get to the trails,
Op also stated horse is not in work for some time. Even thin soled horses *generally* find paved surfaces fine when bare tho.

Some info I've found helpful; [COLOR=Lime][B]www.horseforum.com/horse-health/hoof-lameness-info-horse-owners-89836/
For taking critique pics; [COLOR=Lime][B]https://www.horseforum.com/members/41...res-128437.jpg
loosie is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the The Horse Forum forums, you must first register.

Already have a Horse Forum account?
Members are allowed only one account per person at the Horse Forum, so if you've made an account here in the past you'll need to continue using that account. Please do not create a new account or you may lose access to the Horse Forum. If you need help recovering your existing account, please Contact Us. We'll be glad to help!

New to the Horse Forum?
Please choose a username you will be satisfied with using for the duration of your membership at the Horse Forum. We do not change members' usernames upon request because that would make it difficult for everyone to keep track of who is who on the forum. For that reason, please do not incorporate your horse's name into your username so that you are not stuck with a username related to a horse you may no longer have some day, or use any other username you may no longer identify with or care for in the future.



User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Old Thread Warning
This thread is more than 90 days old. When a thread is this old, it is often better to start a new thread rather than post to it. However, If you feel you have something of value to add to this particular thread, you can do so by checking the box below before submitting your post.

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
shoes or no shoes. danielle0901 Horse Health 24 06-17-2009 11:35 AM
shoes or no shoes? joseylovesrain123 Horse Health 10 08-24-2007 02:51 PM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome