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post #21 of 27 Old 08-07-2019, 09:18 AM
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Those are big hooves, not what I would put in the pony category, lollol

Looking at the hooves then at the soles and back --- three times --- I cannot believe there is no sign of Whiteline.

If the farrier knows what he is doing in terms of rehab, and will trim every 4-5 weeks so as to make progress, those hooves have a good chance of being returned to pretty much normal sooner than later.

The rings look like they hook down back by the heels. I was taught that "hook" is definite founder and not diet change or mild illness. That is fairly new growth so the most recent laminitis events are within the last 2-4 months, Depending how fast his hooves grow.

He will have to be closely watched, as once laminitis appears, it opens the door for it to keep appearing:).

It's tough for you to get as in-depth involved as you probably should be, since this is not your pony. Hopefully the owner will recognize the serious damage that's been done and has the money and will be willing to spend that money to rehab the pony :)
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post #22 of 27 Old 08-07-2019, 09:43 AM
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^Yeah, a lot of people think of the 'wider' rings, or 'hooks' as you put it as one of 'the' signs of founder. And yes, I agree, it is not just from diet induced or 'mild' laminitis. A horse can suffer from that, without hoof rings becoming to prominent or uneven, IF his feet are kept in good shape. The reason for uneven growth rings is due to the (massively in this case) distorted growth, that's 'scrunching up'(technical term) the toes. So I'd differentiate by saying it is a sign of mechanical/chronic laminitis, not just the 'itis' of itself.
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post #23 of 27 Old 08-07-2019, 01:48 PM Thread Starter
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Those are big hooves, not what I would put in the pony category, lollol

Looking at the hooves then at the soles and back --- three times --- I cannot believe there is no sign of Whiteline.

If the farrier knows what he is doing in terms of rehab, and will trim every 4-5 weeks so as to make progress, those hooves have a good chance of being returned to pretty much normal sooner than later.

The rings look like they hook down back by the heels. I was taught that "hook" is definite founder and not diet change or mild illness. That is fairly new growth so the most recent laminitis events are within the last 2-4 months, Depending how fast his hooves grow.

He will have to be closely watched, as once laminitis appears, it opens the door for it to keep appearing:).

It's tough for you to get as in-depth involved as you probably should be, since this is not your pony. Hopefully the owner will recognize the serious damage that's been done and has the money and will be willing to spend that money to rehab the pony :)

Glad to hear he has a better chance at recovery with good trims etc :) I haven't met the old owner yet and am not sure how much she knows about laminitis/founder or how involved she plans on being. I'm not even sure If she lives nearby. Hopefully, she will realize what need to be done and have the vet out as well.



The BO doesn't know much about laminitis and has mainly been looking at me for advice since I'm the only one with experience with it at the barn. I try to help with what I can, but am trying not to get too involved since It is not my horse, nor the BOs, as you've said. There are lots of things I'd like to see done (hoof boots, x-rays, certain diet changes) because I know there would be more improvement. However, there are too many unknowns with the old owner right now, so I'm trying to just give my advice to the BO and let him decide with the owner.
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Oh, I had the idea this was a rescue your BO had taken on...
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Yes, the owner originally asked the BO to take on full ownership of the pony due to her situation, but the BO said no at the time due to already having quite a few horses of his own and no place to turn the pony out in. The owner then re-homed the pony and had a few bad situations over the course of a year and a bit :( I think the BO feels responsible for that and that is why he took the pony back. Things happened quite suddenly and it still hasn't been long since the pony arrived, so there is still some confusion on what's happening. Last I heard, the owner decided to make a deal with the BO and keep the pony here for a while, until the owner can figure things out. BO wanted my advice and help, If I could as he doesn't know much about this sort of thing.
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Hmm, difficult situation. He IS in a bad way. It is highly likely to be able to get him through it, return him to soundness, but assuming the right management. I'd be pushing that the pony needs serious help, urgently. Not just farriery - assuming a GOOD farrier/trimmer who is experienced at successfully rehabbing founder - but a vet & xrays. And if BO is going to take responsibility for the pony - they are keeping it on their property, so ultimately they're responsible, regardless of any 'deals' - they also need to educate themselves on what is required. Got any good books you can loan them? "The Pony That Did Not Die" by Andrew Bowe is a very good one, and you can get a digital copy quite cheaply...

What of feed/nutrition & what condition is he in generally? Pardon if you've already said...
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Hmm, difficult situation. He IS in a bad way. It is highly likely to be able to get him through it, return him to soundness, but assuming the right management. I'd be pushing that the pony needs serious help, urgently. Not just farriery - assuming a GOOD farrier/trimmer who is experienced at successfully rehabbing founder - but a vet & xrays. And if BO is going to take responsibility for the pony - they are keeping it on their property, so ultimately they're responsible, regardless of any 'deals' - they also need to educate themselves on what is required. Got any good books you can loan them? "The Pony That Did Not Die" by Andrew Bowe is a very good one, and you can get a digital copy quite cheaply...

What of feed/nutrition & what condition is he in generally? Pardon if you've already said...
Yes, unfortunately not ideal right now, but I will hopefully be able to have a better chat with the BO when he is down at the barn next. A couple things have changed since the pony arrived as far as the owner goes, so I'm not sure If she is now willing to spend money rehabbing pony or not. When the farrier is down next week, I'm hoping that he will ask for x-rays, but If not then I will ask if they are planning on having the vet out for a check up. At least the vet can then advise them from there.

I unfortunately don't have any books on founder, but I can print out some information from a few good websites.

Pony's condition is surprisingly good. Ribs can be felt, not seen and no fatty crest, or areas. However, It has only been a week and I'm not sure how much or what he was fed in his previous placement. The BO now has him on a ration balancer and remission. When I have have the hay tested for my guys, I'll be sharing the information with him to better balance the pony's diet too.
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