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post #11 of 19 Old 01-06-2012, 07:55 PM Thread Starter
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I've done some research on a couple of farriers in my area, put some feelers out, asked a LOT of questions of a lot of people about some of them and I've put calls out to 2 different ones. Only one has actually called back. He does corrective shoeing on an older arthritic OTTB at my stable who has the pickiest owners in the world. I've heard good things about him from other people as well. But, he isn't going out until the 25th and Cin should have been trimmed around Xmas.

He has long toe/short hill issues, but isn't moving too badly right now. Do you think he can wait another couple of weeks if I don't ride him and do jut light lunge work with him, or should I just give him a vacation consisting of daily turnout and no work until he gets trimmed? He actually rides better right now than he has all month, more balance etc...so It really makes me wonder what to do right now.
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I really don't know what neck angle has to do with correct trimming.
Sure it does... if you trim feet to neck angles, you'll get perfectly balanced feet.... depending how the horse is holding his neck at that time!!

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Disagree with the first part of above comment - it absolutely can be taught, but agree with the last.... most farriers I know anyway.
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trims at the same angles as the neck blah blah.........[deleted]............I really don't know what neck angle has to do with correct trimming.
Was he pointing to the slope of the shoulder when he was talking about "neck angles"?

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For one, my farrier back in CA ALWAYS watched my horses move before and after trimming to make sure they were moving correctly

But, he has NEVER watched my horse move, EVER. He trims so that Cinny looks correct while standing on a flat surface.


Am I being a little weird by wanting a farrier to watch my horse move so that he can trim accordingly and then to make sure he's moving right after a trim at least every other trim or so? Is it normal for a farrier to just trim according to how a horse looks while standing? What are your opinions?
Do you walk your horse up when the farrier is there or is it there waiting for your farrier when he gets there?

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He spoke of neck angle while he was working on a hoof so he wasn't pointing at anything.

My horse is always out of his stall and on the cross ties when he gets there, he likes them ready to go on arrival.
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Do you use JJ or someone different? The first time I used him he watched Reily walk before and after the trim really closely (he was paying extra attention because of Reily's funny foot), since then he'll watch as he goes and comes but doesn't pay as much attention unless I say something has been off.

I really like JJ, he's been working really well with Reily's pigeon foot and is always on time :)

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Do you use JJ or someone different? The first time I used him he watched Reily walk before and after the trim really closely (he was paying extra attention because of Reily's funny foot), since then he'll watch as he goes and comes but doesn't pay as much attention unless I say something has been off.

I really like JJ, he's been working really well with Reily's pigeon foot and is always on time :)
If by J you mean JH, yes but he has NEVER given Cin the care and attention you just described with Rei. He ha never watched him so much as walk ever, and when I say I'm concerned about how he's moving and his not reaching under he blows it off. He gives him the same quickly trim every time. Ice been telling him about the problems for over six months and he just talks about how he does his angles right for this or that and then the next day he's sore again. It's frustrating.

Oh, and he's always freaking out when Cin puts his nose anywhere near him and says Cin is going to bite him, and Cin never has.

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If by J you mean JH, yes but he has NEVER given Cin the care and attention you just described with Rei. He ha never watched him so much as walk ever, and when I say I'm concerned about how he's moving and his not reaching under he blows it off. He gives him the same quickly trim every time. Ice been telling him about the problems for over six months and he just talks about how he does his angles right for this or that and then the next day he's sore again. It's frustrating.

Oh, and he's always freaking out when Cin puts his nose anywhere near him and says Cin is going to bite him, and Cin never has.
I think it's a different guy, the one I'm talking about first name is JJ last name starts with an F (he has some business cards on the tack board across from Bo's stall). Rei likes to lick/drool on his back while he's doing his front feet and he never has cared lol! I'm still learning about feet, but I think he does a very decent job. Reily has never been lame after a trim, the first time he even brought a hoof angle thing to measure how Reily's feet where when he was done to make sure everything was ship shape. (with his wonky foot, haha)

I can't compare him to any of the other local farriers though because he's been the only farrier I've used since I moved out of my bad barn two years ago. The farrier at the bad barn was awful but no one around this barn uses the bad farrier that I know of.

A LONG time ago I also used... ugh I can't remember his name but he's the farrier at the biggest barn in Hickman and he was AMAZING (pretty much text book perfect every time, he would watch me lunge before and after if we were having any issues) but very pricey, especially if he just came down for one trim.

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Bottom line? Only you love your horse as much as you do. Since he can't fend for himself, then you must advocate for him. You must know what you are talking about in order to have a productive conversation with the farrier. I recommend "Making Hoof Care Work for You" by Pete Ramey. Its an excellent primer and easy read to understanding the hoof.
You get one set of answers by watching the horse move, you get another by knowing the run of bone, reading xrays and the ultimate answer when you pick up the hoof. I can pick up a hoof and wear it...feel what its like to wear in motion. I can see where the pain is and how he avoids it and what its done to the hoof, so I don't necessarily need to see the movement, but it helps.
I enlisted a farrier for 20 years and posted pics online feeling pretty proud of the feet because they had just been trimmed. Boy! Was I wrong! The report put me in tears, fired my farrier the next day and have been doing myself ever since. All are fully transitioned to the barefoot trim now and can walk across quarry stone without batting an eyelash. It all started with Pete Ramey's book. I'm weeding through his latest book now (Care and rehabilitation of the Equine Foot)....not an easy read!
So load your gun with knowledge and fire off some pertinent questions that will not allow for being brushed off. You have every right to get your questions answered, with this book, you will get them and be able to advocate for your horse. Let nobody put asunder!
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